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Bill: Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001

Details

Submitted by[?]: Independence Coalition

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill requests an early election. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline. Elections will be held immediately if the bill passes.

Voting deadline: October 2502

Description[?]:

We, the Independence Coalition, call for early elections as soon as we can reach a consensus. The last election has placed an unstable party in the office of Head of State. With Multi-Party support we at the IC, DSP, USMC intend to correct this grievance error. The NPP is not suited for such a powerful role in government, and we will not stand for their antics nor their behavior.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date01:44:52, December 17, 2007 CET
From帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe support.

Date01:46:17, December 17, 2007 CET
FromIndependence Coalition
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
Messagemoved to vote

Date01:46:21, December 17, 2007 CET
FromRevolutionary State Socialist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageAgreed.

Date01:46:40, December 17, 2007 CET
FromRevolutionary State Socialist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageAgreed.

Date04:25:23, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWhat a horrific violation of the principles of Democracy.

It appears that the APP have won, in the end.

Date04:31:42, December 17, 2007 CET
FromPan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageActually no, since three of the 4 people voting against you are SPA members. You left the SPA, refused to fught when it didn't suit your politics. You have no right to speak of democracy if you wern't willing to defend it when it mattered. And when we have a chance to bring peace to Sekowo, you fight against it. It is for these reasons no one else seems to feel comfortable with you as Tenno.

Date04:32:55, December 17, 2007 CET
FromIndependence Coalition
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageHow so? a member of the Right will replace you.

Date04:34:21, December 17, 2007 CET
FromPan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageA member of the right, who founded the SPA, thank you very much :P

Date04:40:46, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe fought with the SPA until the Independence Coalition and Pan-Sekowo Family Values Party chose to side with the DSP and disenfranchise us in the cabinet.

Evidently, these two groups are doing the same thing again.

We have supported the democratic process all along. And what you are now attempting to do is to violate democracy and hold expensive elections when you don't happen to like whomever holds the office of Tenno.

The Normand Pluralist Party has not yet engaged in any "unstable" acts. We have been consistent, and we have consistently supported freedom and democracy. We fear the sort of exclusionary system you seem intent on installing in Sekowo.

Date04:42:16, December 17, 2007 CET
FromRevolutionary State Socialist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageSo, having a vote on the matter violates democracy... thats a new one.

Date06:38:26, December 17, 2007 CET
FromPan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe never sided with the DSP. The cabinent currently includes both SPA and APP, as well as independant (USMC) parties. It is a coalition cabient.

Date06:46:07, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageIt includes all of the original APP, the Chattes (which, it seems, would have sided with the APP), and only two of five of the SPA members.

Date06:57:47, December 17, 2007 CET
FromPan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageIt included when it was passed, Two APP members, Two SAP members, an independant and at the time, an undecided in the CEC.

We wonder if the NPP had been one of those offered a place in cabinent instead of say the IC, if they would be protesting as loudly.

Date07:01:10, December 17, 2007 CET
From帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe'd like to take this moment to note that we will never give the NPP the position as head of government in any cabinet we create.

Further more we most likely will never include them in one, unless we deem it helpful in some way.

Date07:01:33, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe would not be protesting as loudly, but we certainly would have said no and blocked the cabinet. We would have considered it a betrayal of the SPA to support a cabinet which does not include at least 50% of the SPA (and preferably one which includes 100%).

Date07:15:11, December 17, 2007 CET
FromIndependence Coalition
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageNot all cabinets in the history of Sekowo were so fairly distributed as the ones the IC used to propose, times changes, we must adapt.

Date07:17:48, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe still do not see why, when the SPA had a strong majority (and, in fact, still does), we could not form an SPA-friendly cabinet. It would have been impossible for the DSP to pass a cabinet without at least partial SPA support.

Date07:59:25, December 17, 2007 CET
FromSaiken Renmei
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageThe APP won the war. What they failed to do on the battlefield or through elections, they did through bribery and a 'divide et impera' strategy. We will not stand to watch these socialists and communists take control of the nation despite the will of its people.
We shall offcially withdraw from the SPA and the Strateia tes Sekowo shall stop all military actions if a cabinet of at least 50% SPA members is formed.

Date08:00:59, December 17, 2007 CET
FromPan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageFristly, because DSP is the biggest party, and Sekowo Law states that only the biggest party can propose a cabinent. The DSP doesn't look like losing that position any time soon, and was hardly going to propose a SPA dominant cabinet was he? A mixed cabinent was the best comprimise we could hope for under those situations.

Date08:04:03, December 17, 2007 CET
FromPan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe ask the HDLP not to buy into the misguided anger of the NPP. There was NEVER any option of a 50% plus SPA cabinent. This is a NEUTRAL abinent, one that does not favour either side of this civil war, it is a comprimise plain and simple. The PSFVP was never in a position to do any better than this cabinet.

We urge you not to follow the foolish steps of the NPP in leaving the SPA.

Please reconsider, the NPP are wrong.

Date08:17:27, December 17, 2007 CET
FromSaiken Renmei
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageOOC: In the previous post I meant 'unless a cabinet of at least 50% SPA members is formed.'

We may reconsider our option of leaving the SPA should the DSP propose a cabinet with a larger share of SPA members. We believe that we are in fact in a position to impose a 50% SPA cabinet, as an action towards compromise and peace.

Date08:20:49, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageThat's rediculous, PSFVP. The DSP could not pass any cabinet without approval from at least a portion of the SPA's support. We could have blocked every proposal that was unfair to us.

The current cabinet is certainly not neutral. Less than 25% of the cabinet is drawn from the ranks of current or former SPA members.

Date08:21:28, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
Message(Even though such members held over 50% of the vote)

Date08:35:07, December 17, 2007 CET
FromPan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageHDLP, think about what your saying for a second, you just demanded the DSP, leader of the SPA's opposition pass a cabinet that benefits them less than this one, or you will help them by leaving their opponents the SPa.

your threat was "help us, or we will help you"

Geez, I wonder what option they will prefer :P

NPP's opposition to the cabinet seems to be based on them wanting a cabinet that benefits the SPa above all, DESPITE the fact they know such a cabinet was and is beyond our power to create.

Please do not fall into the trap they have, be reasonable, and return your support to the SPA.

If the NPP had its way, the Civil War would still be going.

It was the PSFVP that organised the SPA, drafted our foreign allies, organised the war effort, it was us who stepped up to combat the APP. What did the NPP offer? militia men who refused to engage in open warfare.

For them to accuse us of turning our backs on the SPA is an insult to all our efforts in the civil war.

What did they do for the SPA? Nothing!

HDLP, if you leave the SPA because you don't like the current cabinet, you are playing into the APP's hands, and given them a potential military advantage, The only thing stoping the APP obtaining a battlefield victory is a united SPA.

Please, reconsider, restore the balance of power, save Sekowo, and don't listen to the NPP

For gods sake, this is a guy who posted his reasons for voting no on a positioning bill. Thats the level of understanding coming from that party.

Don't listen to them, the PSFVP did EVERYTHING for the SPA, please don't beleive we had anything other than the best itnerests of the SPA at heart when we formed the new cabinet.

Date09:03:59, December 17, 2007 CET
FromPan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageTHE PSFVP thanks those who felt it was the best party to rationally lead our nation as Tenno. We are commited to bringing peace and unity back to Sekowo.

Date09:11:46, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe feel supremely betrayed.

Date09:15:26, December 17, 2007 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Call for early elections, February 2502 2502.IC.001
MessageWe'll also add that we feel that "positioning" bills are rediculous. Vote the way your party supports. Fabricating bills you have crafted intentionally to fail to simply manipulate public perception strikes us as dishonest. We do not draft bills we would not like to pass, and we always carefully consider objections; if we feel that we can remove the objecting material in a bill and increase its chances of passing, we usually will.

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