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Bill: Restoring Our Faith Act 2504

Details

Submitted by[?]: Centre Démocratique

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2509

Description[?]:

To restore a voluntary, state religion to Jelbania.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date07:34:36, December 22, 2007 CET
FromCentre Démocratique
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThis important proposal has been tied to other proposals in the past in which UCC had to abstain. Our supporters have been organizing a campaign to restore Christianity as our state religion and we must bring up this issue for debate and voting again.

A state religion unifies our people around common beliefs and moral values. A voluntary one shows respect for sceptics, other religions, and non-believers. We must bring back this great Jelbanian tradition.

Date07:58:55, December 22, 2007 CET
FromAnarchistes pour une Société Libre
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThe PBN will oppose.
If this passes, your Party leaders will have no rest.

Date11:44:53, December 22, 2007 CET
FromSocialist Jelbanian Party-D.L.J.-D.L.F
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWe respect UCC convinctions , but on this matter our position is clear, we don't support a state religion.

Date13:36:22, December 22, 2007 CET
FromBloc Militaire pour Restauration
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
Messagewe strongly support

Date17:06:33, December 22, 2007 CET
FromCentre Démocratique
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessagePBN: Why would our party leaders have no rest?

Date01:17:57, December 23, 2007 CET
FromAnarchistes pour une Société Libre
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageOOC: It's roleplay, eh? I'm saying our supporters will firebomb their houses, etc. That sort of nonsense.

Date05:58:58, December 23, 2007 CET
FromDémocrates de la Gauche
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWe very strongly oppose.

Date23:54:23, December 23, 2007 CET
FromCentre Démocratique
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageUCC will not tolerate our coalition partners threatening violence toward our own party leaders. We seek a public apology to ensure that PBN is not condoning violence because of differing views on religion. If PBN is aware of such a threat within their own ranks, they need to make statement to their own supporters about the Jelbanian tradition of open political debate and respecting people of all beliefs.

Every member of every party in this great nation should feel comfortable stating their views without worrying about another party attacking them.

If an apology and an explanation are not made, this would threaten our support for the current cabinet.

Date00:03:40, December 24, 2007 CET
FromParti Marxiste des Travailleurs
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThe CP strongly oppose

Date00:42:22, December 24, 2007 CET
FromAnarchistes pour une Société Libre
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThe PBN will not bow to the forces of the religious right.
Secular democracy will not die without a fight, that is our final word on the matter.

Date03:22:48, December 24, 2007 CET
FromCentre Démocratique
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageSo your party interpets "not bow"-ing to meaning inciting violence against political leaders? That is anti-democratic and thuggish.

Date10:58:57, December 24, 2007 CET
FromLib-Gov Party-part of W.A-S.U
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWe think religion is a personal matter, it can't be regulated by law.

WE support the current policy

Date11:12:42, December 24, 2007 CET
FromSocialist Jelbanian Party-D.L.J.-D.L.F
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWe don't support a state religion but we strongly condemn the PBN words on this issue. Violence is often the worst solution and we support the liberty of every party in this country.

Date12:21:43, December 24, 2007 CET
FromBloc Militaire pour Restauration
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
Messagewe also find the threats of the PNB to be wrong, we tolerate your communist ideals, so you have to respect our religious ideals. We also might reconsider our participation in the cabinet if you don't apologize

Date19:27:14, December 24, 2007 CET
FromDémocrates de la Gauche
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThis proposal is the rallying cry for the far left.

Date03:20:14, December 30, 2007 CET
FromCentre Démocratique
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWe have the freedom to speak our minds and the freedom to bring this to a vote.

Date03:57:25, December 30, 2007 CET
FromDémocrates de la Gauche
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThis is a landmark of the right if your party agrees to this we will not enter in coalition with your party until you renounce state relgion. Long live secularism! Long live freedom from religion! This will legislation will destroy you and your complete standing.

Date04:49:13, December 30, 2007 CET
FromCentre Démocratique
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageTo the Social Democrats: We respect our differing views on religion and we should end the discussion there. In this time of political violence and assassination attempts, our parties should not be threatening to "destroy" each other or not form future coalitions.

We agree on a lot of issues and we should focus on those issues and not tear each other apart for our differences. It would be innapropriate for us to make a statement about your party voting against this legislation saying; "This vote is a landmark of the left and since you do no agree to this we will not enter into any coalition with the Social Democrats until you embrace Christ and a voluntary state religion. Long live Christ! Love live religion! This vote will destroy you and your complete standing." It is innapropriate for your party to make similar statements. We should have disagreements, but we must try to make them civil.

We must look passed our different views on a voluntary state religion and work to pass bills we both care about. We respect your party and look forward to working for the betterment of the Jelbanian people together.

Date05:22:43, December 30, 2007 CET
FromAnarchistes pour une Société Libre
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThe PBN strongly opposes.
Pray to your G-d that this does not pass.

Date18:07:16, December 30, 2007 CET
FromParti Marxiste des Travailleurs
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageIf this proposal pass, the people have to believe, if they not you will use violence I suppose? What's that? Peaceful? I will follow the PBN if this pass. And you can call it violence, but I call it "fight for the human rights".

Date18:29:21, December 30, 2007 CET
FromCentre Démocratique
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThis is a proposal for a voluntary state religion, not a mandatory one. No one in UCC wants to force anyone to believe something they don't. We want people to be free to join other religions or have none at all. However, we do want to recognize our Christian traditions with a voluntary state religion.

We are a pacifist party and do not believe in violence, therefore we will never use it to achieve our political objectives. You can look at our record and you have our word on that.

Date22:28:58, December 30, 2007 CET
FromDémocrates de la Gauche
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWell I understand civility. But you want a state relgion! Ok so when the CUF wants to bring slavery back, we shouldn't hear you be outraged. But you want to take people's money and give it to a church! You want to steal a person who dosen't believe in your god's ideals and give it to your people! You are disenfranchising people. You beleive this will help your church but all blame will go to your church once you start to fail, it will take the blame away from government and give it to the church, which is state sponsored.

Date23:07:29, December 30, 2007 CET
FromRevolutionary Constit'nal United Front
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWe have been wholly uncertain about a voluntary state-endorsed religion and have planned to abstain, but since the Social Democratic Party chose to denigrate our good name yet again, we feel that this socialistic malice is rooted in godlessness and faithlessness--both things to be remedied by a state religion. We shall now support this bill.

Date23:12:12, December 30, 2007 CET
FromCentre Démocratique
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageThis legislation does not involve taking people's money and giving it to a church. We would not support that. We are also not disenfranchising anyone. Everyone in Jelbania should decide their own views on religion.

And we believe a voluntary state religion religion is quite different from the enslavement of individuals.

People blame all kinds of institutions and groups for their problems: religions, governments, ethnicities, races, immigrants, etc. We do not know what you mean when you say "once you start to fail, it will take the blame away from government and give it to the church."

Date02:15:06, December 31, 2007 CET
FromDémocrates de la Gauche
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageNow we know enslavement is different we were giving an example, we were hoping a good faithful intelligent person such as yourself could distinguish between examples and the issues given. I was wrong, you cannot, and that was my mistake. And what I mean is that if the state is failing, a recession hits. The people will blame the church, they will blame a state institution for they are government funded and people will strike out against the church, and it will hurt religion in Jelbania. You are best to let chruch be independent of the state if you want YOUR religion to prosper. And to the CUF you have never had a good name, so what more is there to tarnish in what is YOUR name? Go ahead and support this bill, it makes you look like an incredibly moody person if your vote can be changed by using your "good" name. Definately not a point for you, but go ahead.

Date07:41:06, December 31, 2007 CET
FromRevolutionary Constit'nal United Front
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWe can rest easy at night knowing that godless socialists think that we never had a good name. That means we have done well in fighting off the scourge of evil, moral depravity, and tyranny that is socialism.

Date08:27:28, December 31, 2007 CET
FromDémocrates de la Gauche
ToDebating the Restoring Our Faith Act 2504
MessageWell maybe we should have voted yes so that the CUF could be shown the light and lead from the sections of darkness of facism and the right.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 258

no
     

Total Seats: 243

abstain

    Total Seats: 0


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