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Bill: Likatonia Uber Alles
Details
Submitted by[?]: AM Radical Libertarian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2510
Description[?]:
| We live surrounded by enemies, current and potential. It is the act of a naive fool to disarm yourself in the hope that your enemy will take pity on you and not attack you with whatever he may have. Therefore, we must protect ourselves in every way possible. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are banned.
Current: The state owns all defence industries.
Proposed: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in retaliation to any attack.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:27:03, December 28, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | Absolutely not. |
| Date | 20:29:18, December 28, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | Absolutely. 55 years of work down the drain. Why the hell not? |
| Date | 23:55:26, December 28, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | Article 5.. oh dear. However, the rest of it we love. |
| Date | 12:20:06, December 29, 2007 CET | From | Axis Mundi Democratic Bloc | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | We will not support. |
| Date | 22:07:20, December 30, 2007 CET | From | Dovani Resurrection Coalition | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | We've already invaded you to show you why pacifism doesn't work: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=165269 You are unable to defend yourselves. However, we are not murderers and we are not thieves. We, as a friendly nation, are here to help, and will defend your nation from any foreign invaders. We are currently discussing what, if anything, we shall do with your nation aside from merely occupying it with a military force. Feel free to join in on the discussion and subscribe to it. It is open internationally: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=165830 |
| Date | 07:58:53, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | OOC: Until the details are worked out, the LFF will treat this as a threat and not a fait accompli. IC: Who is this addressing the floor of the convocation? During a discussion of the future of our military? The LFF will happily bring in the Fascist stormtrooper paramilitary wing to assist removal of this individual if other parties feel that security of the convocation has been breached and they will deal with him/her in the appropriate manner. We thank the Dovani representative for illustrating why this bill should not be passed. |
| Date | 14:33:15, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Dovani Resurrection Coalition | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | [OOC] I didn't mean this as if we are automatically going to pretend this happens no matter what. We in the Dranian Imperium will wait for you to decide if you are going to role-play and how. We were thinking it would just be interesting to role-play a nation unsuccessfullly attempting to get away with being pacifist. [IC] I assure you I am merely an ambassador on your convocation floor, and I mean no threat. Our forces await outside your borders. May we remind you that we are allies and friends of yours; fellow signers of your friendship and cooperation treaties. We do not wish to harm you, but wish to provide a military force for you for your own protection. We, as friends of Likatonia, wish to respect the decision of Likatonia to be pacifists and not to fight, but we wish for Likatonia to realize they live in a dangerous world and cannot live without a defensive force. We wish to provide this defensive force for you, with the lives of our own men, in return for the funding of your defensive budget, whereas 80 percent will go towards providing this defense, and the remaining 20 percent will be a modest and humble profit (the price of pacifism). We wish that you do not pass this bill, as stated by the LFF, but rather consider this deal, in addition to granting permission to a religious organization in our nation known as the "Order" of "Light" to send missionaries to your nation, as well as allowing our party to set up institutions of Atheist and Anti-Religious studies within your nation also. |
| Date | 18:45:46, December 31, 2007 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | The current threat from Dovani is a perfect example of why this bill must pass. It will be brought to the floor NOW! You cannot enslave a free man, you can only kill him. |
| Date | 18:54:50, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Dovani Resurrection Coalition | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | I hope the rest of the Convocation of Likatonia has the sense to realize that this bill would enslave the pacifists. That this convocation will realize we are offering a fair deal to defend your great nation from the attacks of others, and yet you may spare your citizens the sight of war because we will give our lives instead. Do you shun the man willing to take a bullet for you? Somehow the AMRLP seems a bit ungrateful to us. |
| Date | 19:02:11, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Dovani Resurrection Coalition | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | BTW AMRLP: We are from the Dranian Imperium. We are named the Dovani Resurrection Coalition because we wish to resurrect the Dovani Union, the dominating global superpower that's collapse in the early 21st century caused this current dark age of Terra, with technological stagnation, the reintroduction of organized religion, and racism and other social problems. |
| Date | 03:14:55, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | Edit: earlier I meant to type "We thank the Dovani representative for illustrating why this bill should be passed. " |
| Date | 15:48:08, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Dovani Resurrection Coalition | To | Debating the Likatonia Uber Alles |
| Message | Hmm...the LFF is ungrateful as well... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 163 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 224 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 279 |
| Random fact: The players in a nation have a collective responsibility to ensure their "Bills under debate" section is kept in good order. Bills which are irrelevant or have become irrelevant should be deleted. Deletion can be requested for bills proposed by inactive parties on the Bill Clearout Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4363 |
| Random quote: "Communism needs democracy like the human body needs oxygen." - Leon Trotsky |