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Bill: Pension.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Old Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2511
Description[?]:
| Again I will try to propose this legislature. I do not understand why no one will vote on it. All this is duing is giving senior citizens money after they worked for certain amount of years. It is sad when a senior citizen has to work in a grocery store at the age of 75 just to put some bread on the table. Shame. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Current: There is a compulsory private pension system.
Proposed: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:51:35, January 02, 2008 CET | From | National Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pension. |
| Message | i think a pension system is fair for all those men and women who work their lives off |
| Date | 05:27:19, January 02, 2008 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Pension. |
| Message | Why must we tax people to cover a pension when they could just as easily save up for their own retirement? |
| Date | 06:58:38, January 02, 2008 CET | From | Old Conservative Party | To | Debating the Pension. |
| Message | Right save when you have four children and a wife, at the same time you are helping out your parents. Yeah save, buddy you are living in a fantasy land. Saving is only for the rich. Not everyone is able to save. What if you have special needs (healthcare which is not covered by the government). Not everyone are able to save and that is final, plus do you adjust for inflation, did not think so. NOT GIVING PENSION TO THE OLD is like signing their death certificate. Economicaly not giving pension is just stupid. Think of inflation which irodicates the savings. Try to argue that, you inconsiderate baboon. |
| Date | 21:00:34, January 02, 2008 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Pension. |
| Message | "at the same time you are helping out your parents." Why would you need to do that? "Saving is only for the rich." People who can't save are people who aren't budgeting their money correctly, especially in Baltusia with its generous welfare scheme. "healthcare which is not covered by the government" What aspect of healthcare isn't covered by the government? Can you give an actual example of special needs that is both necessary and beyond the scope of government services? "and that is final" If this is your stance and you have no intention of changing it, why invite debate? Surely you must be capable of accepting that their are differing points of view to yours? "plus do you adjust for inflation, did not think so." Did you consider that superannuation funds are often not just dollars sitting in a bank but are diverse portfolios of real estate, stock and, yes, money sitting in the bank created by the fund managers using the money pooled together by its constituent investors? Its clear you didn't think so or otherwise you would not have raised the issue of inflation. "irodicates " Is that even a word? "Try to argue that, you inconsiderate baboon." Try to argue with a little more civility. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 62 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 159 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 79 |
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