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Bill: Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee
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Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Sekowo
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2513
Description[?]:
| Some serious reckless statistics produced by the Census Committee are falsifying statistics for their own political agenda. Declaring that the majority of country is some sort of sexual pervert. I find this insulting to our national identity and those responsible for this should be charged with fraud. I ask the government to have some decency and push forward criminal investigation of this misuse of public funds to produce fraudulent Census data. This violates the law by misusing public funds. One look at the Census report and one is to find how loony and appalling this portrayal is by Census Committee. We the Communist Party of Sekowo, the Party of the working class demand accountability. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:41:34, January 04, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | The criteria for the Census (as in the options) was democratically voted upon, and passed. The results are based on the cultures, laws and history of Sekowo. |
| Date | 23:48:38, January 04, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | The results are based in fiction, While Sekowo is a country of many nations, We do not support the the census' fraudulent results declaring that a huge population of the country are of perverts. Our hard working families of this country do no want to be depicted in this light by the international community. As a result I ask for an investigation if there was wrong doing done by the census committee or if it was a clerical error committed. We ask on the government to open an investigation. |
| Date | 23:55:00, January 04, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | We find the CPS's comments highly offensive, as many DSP members are not Heterosexual. Further more we could care less what some conservative families wnat Sekowo to be seen as, we have compiled the results based on the facts. |
| Date | 23:57:36, January 04, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | We suspect that the Democratic Socialist Party has had its hand in play to further an agenda. A full open investigation into the Census Committee Dealings will be necessary to find what went wrong. And whether corruption had its hand into what went wrong. |
| Date | 00:04:32, January 05, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | Nothing has gone wrong, the results came about from a national census (not including the protectorates) performed in 2510. OOC: The results are based on Sekowo's history, laws and cultures. The major cultures have no problem with non-heterosexuality (pre-Christian Nordic, pre-America Japan, and ancient Greco-Roman), and as such the vast majority of the country has never had a problem with it. Further more people of all sexualities are encouraged to reproduce, hence the higher numbers for Homosexuals. |
| Date | 01:08:41, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | The only perversion in Sekowo is this upstart Communist Party. Somehow it has managed to mix these ridiculously reactionary ideals with proper Communist economic thought. This dichotomy cannot be. The Communist Party of Sekowo is a party of reactionaries clothed in populism, purporting to support a dictatorship of the proletariat, but in fact supporting merely the same old social mores of the aristocratic elite. |
| Date | 04:00:45, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | We do not view degenerate behavior which is brought on by the capitalist system a proper idea. The Communist Party of Sekowo supports the family unit. But in this capitalist framework people are brought into degeneracy out of sheer boredom and despair into these behaviors. These Ideas must be corrected. While homosexuality is not a criminal activity it is brought on by bourgeois influence of exclusion from many right standing moral principles. And to claim it is at these astronomical proportions is lunacy at best. While support the gay movement our party takes a different line than most other progressive parties on this regard under socialism there is no room for degeneracy as people are given the chances in life to better themselves and their communities. To think some would consider themselves asexual, bisexual, homosexual and Zoophilies openly to this extent while doing this surveys in the company of other family members or to disclose this information to a complete stranger is insane. As many would look bad upon such behaviors alongside many other personal details, Regardless if they are of these persuasions or not. I would ask many to investigate this more fully. Zoophilia is an illegal degenerate behavior as the animals have not consented to such abuse. This census is nothing more than Ultra-Leftist banter and I would ask others to join in for the call for an investigation. |
| Date | 04:02:22, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | Further to address this issue as something of the supporting the old social order is quite the opposite from what our party is doing. However we reject that Sexual Perversions are a basis of class struggle. |
| Date | 09:54:24, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | OOC: Like the FDP and CPS, we take major issue with the statistics as presented. The "history and culture" you talk about were invented by you, and it is unreasonable to expect us to just accept that, particularly when it seems to be so self-serving for you. As I see it, you have two options if you want this to be fair. Give each party 1/8 of the Census to determine for ourselves, or apportion census issues by vote for each census. |
| Date | 12:09:46, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | OOC: Agreed I think some regard to realism needs to be taken. Like its more than obvious you want to make this nation's history to become your own personal utopia based on a LGBT society. A vision not shared by everyone. I think more serious discussion needs to be conducted on the nation's ethnicity likewise than just to say random ethnic groups because some have family roots in it. While yes this is a fictional country, it does require joint story building in what I would like to see as a complex realistic country with us individual parties playing out the complex forces in the society. |
| Date | 14:44:08, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | While we disagree with the CPS view of perversions, we agree with the point that the census figures are completely unrealistic and heavily biased to the DSP's agenda and own preferences. Furthermore, technology does not exist to allow homosexuals to reproduce without a woman involved, (for homosexual men) and without a man involved in some form (for homosexual women). Furthermore, the DSP is being completely irrational in its view that over time heterosexuality would decline to less than half the population! We'd need a replacement rate of 4.5 per heterosexual woman to replace the population. In addition, the DSP is imposing its views, its opinions, and its biases on the rest of Sekowo and not taking into account the other parties here, who have an equal say in the RP of this country, and their views on this issue. All major studies, as I posted in the original census bill which was deleted by the DSP, have shown rates of homosexuality of between 1 and 7%. WIth heterosexuality running at greater than 90% in all studies, even in highly liberal nations. So even if Sekowo is highly liberal and supportive of gay rights, as it should be, the percentage of homosexuality would still be around 10% at the maximum. Furthermore, the DSP seems to believe that when homosexuals reproduce and raise children, that they will turn out in all cases to be homosexual, which is a myth of the highest degree, as heterosexual couples can produce homosexual children! In short, change the figures or a lot of parties will ignore them for being biased and unrealistic, and we'll close down the census. You cannot impose your views on everyone else on matters like this, there has to be realism, compromise, and agreement. |
| Date | 17:01:29, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | I still think the best way would be to allow every party to determine the portion of the census which represents those who support them in the elections; we should each be able to determine our own votership, right? |
| Date | 17:21:02, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | That is a good idea, but I dobut everyone would want to go through the trouble of doing that themsevles. |
| Date | 17:27:17, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | Well, those who do could, and their inputs could be considered to represent the population at large. I could easily do the math required to find the final result. |
| Date | 18:24:52, January 05, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | The census is hereby no longer being done. Further more thCSP is now considered an enemy of the APP and are considered traitors to the state by the DSP. Also, I did'nt make up the majority of Sekowo's history. |
| Date | 18:57:26, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | OOC: Note I wasn't calling homosexuality a perversion more so on transgender and zoophilia. |
| Date | 19:04:07, January 05, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | OOC: Does'nt matter, DSP is the premier LGBT/alternative sexuality party. |
| Date | 20:08:25, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | OOC: Does matter since you were speaking on behalf of an electoral coalition, in this regards I hope you discussed with other members. |
| Date | 20:17:08, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | By supporting the family unit, the CPS supports oppression. Please, indicate how sexual preferences are chosen based on "bourgeois influence of exclusion from many right-standing principles." All available studies seem to indicated the contrary. OOC: I would actually support a census where parties apportion their own constituencies' demographics, with the non-voting population either split up proportionally among parties, or divided equally among all. |
| Date | 20:17:38, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | That said, the questionnaire needs significant simplifying. |
| Date | 21:37:58, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | The family unit is the most basic human organization required under socialism. |
| Date | 22:40:07, January 05, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | No, it's not. The individual is. Anyways, it does'nt matter, there will be no more census's. |
| Date | 03:30:12, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | Please discover what a commune is, the both of you. |
| Date | 06:04:48, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | The individual isn't an organization. |
| Date | 10:29:18, January 06, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | Organizations are made up of individuals. Further more we really don't care about the 'family structure' or any other such things. And there is really no more use for this, as the Census is no longer being held because you're all bitchy little whiners about things. |
| Date | 16:37:30, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | OOC: DSP, it is entirely inappropriate to start calling names when you can't get your autocratic way. |
| Date | 20:27:02, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | We're not bitchy little whiners DSP, you're when you don't get your own way and you can't force your biased views down our throats. Also, the census needs to be ended by a bill for it to finish, or we could just transfer it to a party that is going to compromise and take into account all views on the make-up of the population. |
| Date | 00:04:49, January 07, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | I was more aiming that at CSP, than aeveryone. Besides, I do technically know more about the make-up of the country than any other active party. |
| Date | 03:34:20, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | Yes but I said the most basic organization in a socialist society is the family unit, and you said the most basic organization is the individual, which is not an organization, but a lone person. Anyways, as the Democratic Socialist Party does not have the willpower to launch an investigation this Census Committee, Parliament should bound the Government into investigating this corruption. |
| Date | 05:27:42, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | ffs... Date 03:30:12, January 06, 2008 CET From Sekowan Communist Party To Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee Message !!!!!Please discover what a commune is, the both of you.!!!!!!! At any rate, while we support a new census, we don't see any need for such an investigation. |
| Date | 07:27:18, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | a commune is an anarchist bunch of rubbish. communes are for drugged out hippies who are on acid trips all the time. The proletariat must transform society not avoid society. |
| Date | 08:50:13, January 07, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | Communes are the truest form of Communism, though not Communism itself. |
| Date | 16:18:11, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | While we agree with the SCP, we are voting in favour of this bill for the sake of our voting record, as we realize it will not pass. |
| Date | 17:03:33, January 07, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Voteing for an Investigation Probe on False statistics put out by the Census Committee |
| Message | Just a side note for any future things like this, this is something that falls under the authority of the Ministry of the Interior, currently controlled by the USMC, so you should go through whichever party controls it. |
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