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Bill: If we want peace, we must prepare for...
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2513
Description[?]:
| This bill objevtive is to prepare our beloved Baltusia for an invasion or any kind of atack, even tough it may be against the pacifist spirit of our people and other partys, we must face the truth and see that the world isnt the place we would like it to be, please pass this bill and protec the future of all baltusian |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Civil defence is the government's policy on providing shelters to be used in the event of attacks on major cities, mainly nuclear attacks and bombing.
Old value:: Local authorities are responsible for building and maintaining shelters.
Current: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Proposed: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:32:57, January 05, 2008 CET | From | National Socialist Party | To | Debating the If we want peace, we must prepare for... |
| Message | Any toughts? |
| Date | 23:58:34, January 05, 2008 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the If we want peace, we must prepare for... |
| Message | Article 1: As we've stated ad nauseum in bill debates about shelters, the proposed policy is a violation of our current MAD defensive policies. Why? We have the capability to create a nuclear weapon. We, by our own laws, only possess and use nuclear weapons when we are attacked by chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. Theoretically, this should stop people from attacking us since its a no-win situation. However, if we have shelters, what's to stop us from launching a strike, rushing our people into the shelters and holding out against the inevitable retaliation with relatively few casualties? All of a sudden, we're a lot less trustworthy. Article 2: Is it really necessary we be able to undertaken all kinds of operations for our own defence? |
| Date | 00:56:41, January 06, 2008 CET | From | National Socialist Party | To | Debating the If we want peace, we must prepare for... |
| Message | Article 1: if they atack us first we will destroy them whit nuclear might but the problem is that our people will die just as theirs, imagine there is a crazy leader that atacks us with a nuke, after that we launch our own nukes right? = What if that country has a nation wide shelter system to protec them from our nukes? they will be safe and we wont. Article 2: remember that imaginary crazy leader? wouldnt it be nice to have a hitman in the top of a tower to blow up his brains and aboid All that nuclear nightmare? basicly thats why we need to be prepare both in defense as in preventive ofensive (sorry for bad grammar, im mexican) |
| Date | 06:05:42, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the If we want peace, we must prepare for... |
| Message | "but the problem is that our people will die just as theirs" Which is why there's no point in attacking us in the first place. "What if that country has a nation wide shelter system to protec them from our nukes? they will be safe and we wont." Hence why we need to keep our eyes on that nation. How about instead of building shelters, we ensure that the nation becomes dependent on something only we can provide? How about we build stronger diplomatic ties? We also have further doubts about the effectiveness of bomb shelters. Specifically, is it even possible to build a network of shelters for the 100+ million people we have or should we just sacrifice some that aren't worthy? Do you really want to live in a nation that decides that some people may live while others have to die? "wouldnt it be nice to have a hitman in the top of a tower to blow up his brains" Can't we just get another nation to do it? What's this hypothetical leader got against Baltusia in particular? |
| Date | 17:28:29, January 06, 2008 CET | From | National Socialist Party | To | Debating the If we want peace, we must prepare for... |
| Message | cmon members of the opx, i would really rather to have a country who decides who lives and who dies than a country that just sits in the floor and sees how good people die |
| Date | 23:25:16, January 06, 2008 CET | From | National Socialist Party | To | Debating the If we want peace, we must prepare for... |
| Message | ANY TOUGHTS? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 83 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 146 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 71 |
| Random fact: Any RP law granting extraordinary "emergency powers" or dictator-like powers to a government must be passed by at least a 2/3rds majority, but (like all RP laws) may always be overturned by a simple majority vote of the legislature. |
| Random quote: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity." - Ralph Nader |