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Bill: Earthly Community IV
Details
Submitted by[?]: National People's Gang
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2107
Description[?]:
| The Earth was made to be a common treasury for all. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Current: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Proposed: The government may seize private property for any reason.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Eminent domain compensation (if eminent domain is legal).
Old value:: A neutral body appointed by the courts determines the compensation, either party may appeal.
Current: The victim of eminent domain sets compensation, government can appeal to the courts if they deem the cost too high.
Proposed: The government does not compensate victims of eminent domain.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:22:25, September 03, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | Correction, the earth was made to be a common treasury for none. There is no security in anyone's possessions when all property can be seized. |
| Date | 01:30:01, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | When a tiny minority refuse to release the wealth they have stolen from the majority, they forfeit their place in the community and must suffer the consequence. |
| Date | 01:50:17, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | Money obtained by voluntary transactions, by definition, cannot be considered stolen. |
| Date | 02:03:41, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | The earth certainly is a common treasury for all, in the words of the old Digger song. Whether that requires the government to seize property arbitarily is another question. |
| Date | 02:10:37, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | Nothing taken in exchange for temporary relief from starvation is given voluntarily. Unfortunately GA, seizures have become necessary. |
| Date | 04:20:28, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | Perhaps. Perhaps the trouble is that the government acts too much as the voice of property owners, too little as the voice of the people. In the words of Adam Smith: "Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.'' |
| Date | 21:36:52, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | No. |
| Date | 21:45:15, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | Yes. |
| Date | 03:37:38, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | Hell no |
| Date | 19:10:25, September 06, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Earthly Community IV |
| Message | Hell yes. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 56 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 223 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 21 |
| Random fact: "OOC", "IC" and "IG" are commonly-used acronyms in Particracy. "OOC" refers to comments, discussions and actions which are out-of-character, meaning they are done player-to-player rather than party-to-party. "IC" refers to in-character interactions (ie. party-to-party). Similarly, "IG" means in-game, although this term may also simply refer to what happens in the actual game interface, as opposed to on the forum or elsewhere. "RP" just means "role-play". |
| Random quote: "Communism: liberation of the people from the burdens of liberty." - Rick Bayan |