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Bill: OOC: Political Blocs
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2521
Description[?]:
| Alright, so it's obvious that Sekowo is split into several different political persuasions. Now I've been considering making a new part of the SNN report on election results detailing political bloc strength, however since there is only really one official political bloc, it would be fairly difficult to do that. So, if everyone would'nt mind deciding if they would like to form blocs with parties they consider political allies, that would be very helpful and generally add another level of entertainment to the game. The following is a list of the one official bloc and several possible blocs; APP -DSP -SCP Moderates -USMC -PSFVP Libertarians/Capitalists/Minarchists/etc -NPP -DFP -HDLP Other -CPS |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:47:06, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Our party stills has to work out a history with the other communist party. I think we should both claim common roots but our parties had split over some issue, maybe during the second civil war which only ended recently. But so far the SCP hasn't responded to that. While there is hostility between the DSP, SCP and CPS possibly because of the split in the future a more diplomatic approach would bring us together. Which is why you see many bills seeming to take an Sectarian approach against the APP. |
| Date | 04:57:56, January 07, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | SCP has it's own history, which you can basically consider totally seperate from yours. |
| Date | 05:30:25, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | I have responded to it, bourgeois-tool. My answer was no. |
| Date | 06:14:37, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Pan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | We're not sure we really fit into voting blocks, apart from our close agreement with HDLP and the USMC on matters of the economy. The NPP and us have obviously seen our relationship sour since the civil war. Still if we fit anywhere, its with the USMC |
| Date | 07:29:00, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | I was only saying this on the basis that most communist parties have common roots and others form due to splits. |
| Date | 16:32:59, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | We are closely aligned with the HDLP, but at times have voted with just about every party in Sekowo and against just about every party in Sekowo. We have strange relationships with the CPS and PSFVP, in particular. I think the CPS has every right to claim to be an obscure off-shoot of the SCP, so long as they do not touch (ie, alter) the history of the SCP. The major difference between the two is clearly the SCP's liberal stance on morality vs. the CPS's more conservative stance. |
| Date | 16:42:36, January 07, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Would you be opposed to being put in a bloc with the HDLP and DFP, for news purposes? |
| Date | 16:50:00, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Depends on what said bloc was named. |
| Date | 16:50:48, January 07, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | That's up to you three to decide. |
| Date | 16:52:48, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Thing is, we're more pluralist than libertarian, and some of our recent voting has shown this. |
| Date | 16:55:17, January 07, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | APP is made up of a Communist and a Democratic Socialist party, we're different but share enough common values to form a single bloc. You don't need to have the word libertarian in it. |
| Date | 17:14:17, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | We may just name ourselves the SPA, as we contain 2/3 remaining parties which once comprised it, and also because of the rest of the SPA's relationship to the PSFVP during the civil war... |
| Date | 17:25:02, January 07, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Alright, what does SPA stand for, exactly? |
| Date | 20:03:17, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | "Would you be opposed to being put in a bloc with the HDLP and DFP, for news purposes?" - DSP FDP, not DFP. FDP = Free Democratic Party We would not form a coalition/formal bloc without agreeing to the name of it. We prefer something like the following: Free Market Council - FMC Free Market Bloc - FMB Sekowan Capitalist Coalition - SCC |
| Date | 23:04:59, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | PSFVP, don't forget we agree on the military too. We consider you guys relitives or something. |
| Date | 00:27:35, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | I think it quite obvious that a split would alter my party's history, and given my (and thus my party's) entirely liberal social stance, I don't see how there would be a whole bunch of conservatives in my party, especially given my (and thus my party's) oft-articulated stance on social reactionaries being a tool of the elite, bourgeois oppressors. |
| Date | 03:43:57, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | There might be factions in your party, we are a country of 90 million and you hold 16% of the vote, thus being a large party of many different ideologies. |
| Date | 03:44:43, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Sekowo | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | We are a small party. |
| Date | 06:47:13, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | CPS, diaf, kthxbai. |
| Date | 07:09:56, January 08, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | There are nearly 146 million people, not 90 million, and sorry FDP, all the acronyms throw me through a loop sometimes. |
| Date | 09:29:08, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | SPA = Sekowo People's Alliance |
| Date | 09:35:08, January 08, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Ah, ok, I thoght that was what ti was, just making sure. If FDP agrees with this, within the next 24 hours, I can include it in the news report for the elections tomorrow. |
| Date | 22:56:08, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | We don't consider ourselves part of a "people's alliance" sounds too populist for our taste. What does APP stand for? |
| Date | 23:02:47, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Allied Progressive Parties, and in case you were wondering, no, you don't fit in that group. |
| Date | 03:05:33, January 09, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Well, Alliance of Progressive Parties, but close enough. Anyways, APP is comprised of parties that are liberal/libertarian in social issues, medium to large government in government size and economic regulators. |
| Date | 17:55:49, January 09, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | FDP may need to be its own bloc. Either that, or we may need to. |
| Date | 23:08:38, January 09, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Didn't I compe up with the name APP :P Anywho, I think we may be the last moderates now. |
| Date | 03:04:56, January 10, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Take into account slight drift over time, and popular change, it became waht it is now. Anyways, given the changes, how about this; APP -DSP -SCP SPA -HDLP -NPP Moderates -USMC Non-Aligned -FDP -PUA -CPS |
| Date | 19:27:51, January 10, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Works for us. |
| Date | 19:53:17, January 10, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | We do however consider the HDLP and the NPP to be the two most closely aligned parties to the FDP's platform. |
| Date | 21:06:15, January 10, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Perhaps you can become "affilated" in some way with them but not full memebers, however that would have to worked out between you all. |
| Date | 07:52:10, January 23, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Archiving. |
| Date | 14:36:22, January 23, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | We would join a capitalist bloc. Most likely with the FDP. |
| Date | 20:13:01, January 23, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | I think a bloc of the NPP, yourselves, and us, makes the most sense, perhaps the PUA consider themselves aligned with us as well. |
| Date | 22:10:03, January 23, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Where would the HDLP fit in when they return next month? |
| Date | 03:38:08, January 24, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | The HDLP made up the SPA along with the NPP, so they would most likely join back together. I'll count CP,FDP and NPP in an interim bloc with the interim title SCA (Sekowan Capitalist Alliance) in my next report. |
| Date | 07:35:18, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | We don't like being called "capitalist". How about "Sekowan Minimalist Alliance"? That's somewhat better. |
| Date | 07:48:13, January 24, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the OOC: Political Blocs |
| Message | Fine, I'll call it that. I'll start a new discussion once our next party is reactivated, as this one is sort of outdated discussion wise. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 478 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 256 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 16 |
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