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Bill: Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: JDW Tukarali Greens Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2514
Description[?]:
| current law violates separation of church and state why should the gov pay ministers? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:28:16, January 08, 2008 CET | From | JDW Tukarali Greens Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | current law violates separation of church and state why should the gov pay ministers? |
| Date | 03:33:22, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | I've been thinking, do we really have to have a separation of church and state? Is that in our constitution? I don't think so. |
| Date | 03:49:10, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | Ministers provide a service. We already pay for doctors to look after matters physical, it stands to reason we should pay for ministers to look after matters spiritual. The separation of church and state is not part of the written consistitution, but that isn't exclusive. It is part of our unwritten constitution, as is the separation of powers and many other things. |
| Date | 03:55:07, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | Well, that means it's all implied, right? |
| Date | 03:59:27, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | They're constitutional conventions. They're part of our constitution because people accept them as being so fundamental to the state. It's not implied as such. |
| Date | 05:28:57, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Monacelli Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | interesting points with the separation issue. and on the matter of this bill, we are undecided. We support on the hand that it regulates and monitors those under whom our people congregate. While, on the other, we oppose bc it would relieve the state of sums of money used to pay their income. |
| Date | 14:24:02, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | We'll oppose. |
| Date | 18:38:21, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | We'll oppose as well.. |
| Date | 01:14:05, January 09, 2008 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | Elections so no vote from us |
| Date | 21:16:54, January 09, 2008 CET | From | JDW Tukarali Greens Party | To | Debating the Congregations Pay For Their Minister, Not the Gov bill |
| Message | putting it back up to a vote now the elections are over |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 102 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 270 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 127 |
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