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Bill: Education for All Hobrazians Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Imperial Hobrazian Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2108
Description[?]:
| As education is the most effective way to eliminate poverty and social class disadvantages, it should be the responsibility of the government to provide access to colleges for all of our citizens. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government introduces means tested loans for higher education tuition, to be paid back by students after earnings reach a certain amount.
Current: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Proposed: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:07:58, September 03, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | The current proposal doesn't prevent anyone from attending a university. The student just pay's back a certain amount of aid that they recieved after they graduate. So the bill up for debate will not increase the amount of students who recieve an education, because the current law already pays tuition. |
| Date | 16:40:30, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | More people would attend college with this bill because low income students will not be intimidated by having to pay back a certain amount. |
| Date | 16:59:03, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | They pay back what they can afford and when they are secure enough financilally. If they can't pay it back due to lack of money, they are not forced to pay. They pay when they can. |
| Date | 19:02:42, September 03, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | CSP, we completely agree with you. |
| Date | 21:24:38, September 03, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | The idea that more people will attend University because the Government fully subsidises tuition is a fallacy. There is no evidence supporting that more students would attend University with a modification of the system than would currently attend. We would also point out the massive increase in Government expenditure that would be required to provide completely free education to all University students, money which could be used to improve primary and secondary education not to mention University education. At present students are only required to repay their loans if and when they reach over a certain income threshold. Should these students never reach this threshold than they are not required to repay any of their loan. The current system allows for higher expenditure into the educational system whilst also maintaining educational excellence at an overall reduced cost due to the allowance of the repayment system allowing students to directly improve the system by repaying the loan provided by Government. This is not only a good system, but also a cost effective system. http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=12258 to access the original bill wording. |
| Date | 21:42:08, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | "The idea that more people will attend University because the Government fully subsidises tuition is a fallacy" I knew there had to be something that we agree on. |
| Date | 21:56:52, September 03, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | It happens occasionally ;-) |
| Date | 18:11:21, September 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | We'll stand with the WSS and LPU on this. Unless evidence can be shown that free tuition increases university attendence significantly then we cannot support the higher costs that it brings with it. |
| Date | 05:11:29, September 09, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | How can I show proof for this game? Show proof that the current system is superior to my proposal! |
| Date | 20:22:07, September 09, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Education for All Hobrazians Act |
| Message | Out of game proof would be fine. As for the befits of the current system - we have to pay less money and people can still go to university if they so wish |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 156 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 244 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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