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Bill: CPL Education Bill

Details

Submitted by[?]: Conservative Liberal Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: November 2106

Description[?]:

Article 1

Proposal- to change The age until which students, if education were to be compulsary, are required to be educated, from 18 to 16.

-Children become adults at the age of 16, therefore they should be given the choice to leave the schooling system at the age of 16.


Article 2

Proposal- to change The teachers right to discipline children, discipline levels are set by schools.

-Schools should have the option of creating their own discipline arrangements.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date22:24:14, September 03, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageAny comments?

Date00:02:12, September 04, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageThe AAP heartily congratulates the CPL on two points of this Bill... namely the 'emancipation age' and the religious schools issue. And, while the AAP is against schools utilising corporal punishment, they are willing to allow that this MAY be the arena of schools and parents... and perhaps government should let those same schools and parents decide their own level.

The only point of serious contention for the AAP, is the 'forced' singing of the national anthem - which we believe is counter-productive. You can 'condition' children to obey the flag, but patriotism comes from inside.

We wonder if the CPL would consider dropping that porposal, in order to make the remainder of this (excellent) Bill a little more palatable?

Date14:48:07, September 04, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageWe could consider it, however we are proposing it is sung on special occassions, chiefly the Kings Birthday. We see this as being minimal, but certainly productive.

Date16:30:23, September 04, 2005 CET
FromLiberal Party for Equality
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageWhy have you changed it to only recognised religions? how do you define a recognised religion? This opens the way for government descrimination and prevention of the spread of religions that they disapprove of for political reasons. A much better way is to allow any religion to set up a school but regulate them to make sure no unacceptable practices or ideologies are being taught. I would be in favour of also regulating private schools, rather than deregulating religious schoos, though I do agree that the inconsistency is unacceptable.

Teachers should not be allowed to use violence, and children should not be forced to sing. both measures would create nothing but resentment among students.

Date16:38:06, September 04, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageWe do no feel that any sect proclaiming itself to be a religion should be able to set up a religious school. Therefore the government is llowed to moniter religions before allowing them the freedom to run schools. For example if a religion that practices child abuse, or performs demon exorcisms on children (as with some African Churches), or a religion that that practices human sacrifice, will be bloked from setting up their own schools.

Date17:21:27, September 04, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageResponse to CPL: While child abuse and human sacrifice are (obviously) horrible things - they are currently illegal under Likatonian law. Thus - churches in this country are NOT allowed to practise them ONE LIKATONIAN SOIL. The same rule applies for the church when it teaches... they can 'teach' ritual sacrifice, but they still cannot perform it.

But, overall - and this may be an unpopular thing to say - isn't the dominant world religion based on a 'human sacrifice'? How can the government deterine waht is suitable content for the inside of religion?

The AAP opposes the intrusion of church into state. But, we ALSO oppose the intrusion of state into church.

Date17:27:21, September 04, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageTaken on board the debated comments, we shall remove refernce to the national anthemn, however the CPL wishes to retain the rest of the bill as intact.

Date18:09:12, September 04, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageThe AAP can support proposal 1 and proposal 4. As it stands, the AAP cannot support preference being shown to certain religions.

Date19:53:01, September 04, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageIt is not prefernce, it is simply pointing out that some 'religious cults' such as Satanists should not be allowed to run schools, herefore the government will only tolerate recognised religions.

Date22:41:18, September 04, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageResponse to the CPL: Actually - we believe that the Likatonian government currently recognises Satanism as a religion. Of course, why should one 'cult' be disallowed, while other 'cults' are allowed? After all, one of the more dominant religions in Likatonia STARTED as 12 guys wandering around in the desert, listening to their 'teacher'.

Date10:31:28, September 05, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the CPL Education Bill
MessageComments noted, moving forwards to a vote.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
     

Total Seats: 177

no
 

Total Seats: 0

abstain
  

Total Seats: 38


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