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Bill: New Flag Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Covenanters (IA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2110
Description[?]:
| Another new flag proposal. http://www.gna.gov.bh/arabic/images/royal-flag.jpg Perhaps we can debate this one fully as it can be adjusted before it goes to the vote? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v238/prophet4profit/lyre.jpg
Current: https://i.ibb.co/ws4vFrH/Flag-of-Luthori.png
Proposed: http://www.gna.gov.bh/arabic/images/royal-flag.jpg
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:41:17, September 05, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | no way. |
| Date | 03:26:48, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | I'm keeping this one at the debate stage as I'm open to suggestions. Why don't you try being constructive? |
| Date | 03:31:01, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | There's always this one: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/r/rel-kwb.jpg |
| Date | 04:03:12, September 05, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | here are the general guidelines as to what i would accept: no religious symbols no monarchist symbols no imperialist symbols |
| Date | 04:05:51, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | How boring. You're boring. You're a bore aren't you? |
| Date | 04:13:26, September 05, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | well, if you find slavery, injustice, tatalitarianism and theocracy exciting, then yes, i am a bore. but that doesn't change the fact that i don't want any of those things represented on our flag. |
| Date | 04:52:27, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | I am also quite boring by that criteria. |
| Date | 05:03:47, September 05, 2005 CET | From | House of Thompson | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | We will NEVER EVER EVER vote to change the flag. We will not change the tradiations of the Commonwealth that has been estabished. We are getting sick of the DUP changing things around here. |
| Date | 11:23:56, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | So are we, but the people are getting their reward for electing them. |
| Date | 16:36:14, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Peoples Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | We fully back the current changes of our nation, but we see no reason for our flag to change. |
| Date | 22:41:19, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | Jebus people! EITHER of them are better than that effing lyre! I'm the only one here(besides maybe the NFP) who was even around to VOTE on the first flag. I even came UP with the first flag, but nooooo, everyone wanted the friggen lyre... |
| Date | 02:14:17, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | I we didn't change anything, what exactly would we do in this game? Vote on bills with no proposals? |
| Date | 02:56:29, September 06, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | i think labor was, too... |
| Date | 06:38:12, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | No, when I came, the lyre was already here. |
| Date | 06:49:59, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | I arrived about October 2060, I think. |
| Date | 07:19:03, September 06, 2005 CET | From | House of Thompson | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | We are the oldest party in the nation and so, we voted on the flag. We also voted on many other issues in these days. The nation has changed much from these days. So yes we were around. |
| Date | 13:37:46, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | Are you sure your older than me, LPP? I need to go deep into the archives... Well, on the "New Flag, anyone?"(which, btw, is the farthest back my archives go back), only myself, the NFP, and the LPP were around. It was a smaller legislative group back then, with the NFP having 20 seats, myself having 14 seats, and the LPP having 6 seats. There were also other parties around back then(Am I the only here who remembers the "Rob" Party? He was never active, but for 2 weeks he had 100% of the vote O_o. As you can tell, this was right after Luthori was created.) |
| Date | 22:57:00, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | I like your suggestion from that bill. Why don't we use that now? I can change the proposal: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/Technate.jpg |
| Date | 00:29:23, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | That one is small. I've got a better one somewhere. |
| Date | 00:30:59, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | Here it is : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/LuthoriFlag.png It's also in a better format. |
| Date | 01:11:29, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | The symbology is a big Bolshevist but it's still far better than the current flag. I'll change the proposal. |
| Date | 08:53:43, September 07, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | could you change the red/black marbled areas into the flat maroon? when we adopted the lyre, i had wouter change our map color to the same color as the flag i also think we could change the middle a bit. instead of the stylised hammer/sickle. why not make it a rounded off "C" and "L" in black and white on the two halves of the yin/yang? you could also reduce the number of notches on the gear to five, one for each state and yes, the LPP was here the earliest of us three. he is party 121 you are party 130 I am party 131 (look at the "partyid=" in the URL of your party page) |
| Date | 20:29:39, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | It's not Bolshevik, actually. It's from the Russian Military Technocratic Movement. And NFP, that owuld take a long time. And I can make some ajustments to it, but I don't have the tools to make it t3h uber with me, so any changes I make prolly will make it worse >< |
| Date | 22:08:06, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | How about this flag? http://www.ausflag.com.au/new/images/sm4.gif It's simple and has 5 stars, one for each state. |
| Date | 02:22:30, September 08, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | i'd like something a little more... elegant. the types of flags that i prefer are ones with bold, solid colors in stripes or geometric shapes, and with one small piece of intricate detail. |
| Date | 09:05:35, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | How about dividing the flag into four sections: The upper left section can be reserved for some royal symbol to reflect our current monarchy. The lower left section can be reserved for a symbol to reflect our five regions. The right sections can be reserved for some pretty symbol that is iconic or symbolic of the nation (like a lyre or the technocratic symbol, or something else). |
| Date | 09:41:47, September 08, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | I didn't say 'pretty' i said 'elegant' we want something that shows our cultural superiority, our pride in what we can accomplish, and the strength of our higher understanding of things. i cannot think of a better symbol than an instrument of music created during one of the peaks of human civilization. |
| Date | 13:57:07, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | The Lyre was not created during the peak of human civilization. It was created by a bunch of cattle-farmers in the mountains, who would play it in between raids where they would burn down enemy villages, rape the women, and enslave the children. But I like the whole "We are better than everyone" idea. |
| Date | 19:13:58, September 08, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | not better than everyone, just better than the uncivilized. and the lyre is still associated with the ancient greeks, though it may have been created by the farmers. |
| Date | 21:05:09, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | http://www.gna.gov.bh/arabic/images/royal-flag.jpg This one implements the crown in the canton suggested by the LLP and you'll notice the zig-zag pattern repeats 5 times, making 5 white triangles and 5 red ones, one for each state. |
| Date | 05:03:31, September 09, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | NFP: I said pretty mainly due to laziness, I meant elegant, but pretty is a shorter word. DUP: That is a good flag. On the lyre, while I agree with the 'we are better than the uncivilized' concept, maybe we should try out other symbols. I was thinking maybe an astrolabe or sextant, but they'd be too hard to put on a flag. Maybe a Torii to go with the shogunate. Maybe something else. |
| Date | 10:28:01, September 09, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | change the color to the maroon we've had for our entire nation's history, and the color that we are represented by on our nation's map and the world map, and i'll vote for it. |
| Date | 10:29:13, September 09, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | i'm not entirely pleased with the crown, but it's the most visually appealing candidate so far, and that portion of it can be fixed later |
| Date | 22:37:13, September 09, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | Oooho, an Arab flag! I'd vote for it anyhoo. And we may replace the crown BUT NOT WITH A FRIGGEN LYRE! |
| Date | 02:07:31, September 10, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | just change the orange to maroon, and we'll deal with the crown later |
| Date | 20:05:50, September 11, 2005 CET | From | House of Thompson | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | We will NEVER EVER EVER vote to change the flag. Any suggestion will NOT get our votes. The current flag has been our flag since almost the start of the nation. |
| Date | 20:40:51, September 11, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | LPP, i know exactly where you're coming from. I would prefer that the flag not change, but i'm pretty sure it's going to anyway. if you accepted that instead of fighting it, you would have imput on what it changes to, instead of leaving the decision entirely in the hands of the DUP. |
| Date | 00:35:02, September 12, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | I could change it to maroon on my computer, but it won't alter the way it looks on that URL. |
| Date | 10:14:57, September 12, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | so send it to me, and i'll upload it. or host it on photobucket or walagata. i will not support it. the crown is bad enough, but changing our nation's color to your party's color? that, i will not support. |
| Date | 16:57:34, September 12, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | From your party's colour, you mean? |
| Date | 22:39:15, September 12, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | Errr.... The link isn't working. |
| Date | 23:52:40, September 12, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | It is for me... |
| Date | 02:11:48, September 13, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | It works for me now. But we really should consider hosting it on another site. |
| Date | 16:41:08, September 13, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | i changed my party's color to match the flag, not the other way around. |
| Date | 16:53:05, September 13, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the New Flag Act |
| Message | If it makes you feel any better the DUP's real colour is red. I changed to orange because of the Seosavists. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 534 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 71 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 111 |
| Random fact: References to prominent real-life persons are not allowed. This includes references to philosophies featuring the name of a real-life person (eg. "Marxism", "Thatcherism", "Keynesianism"). |
| Random quote: "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." - Dwight D. Eisenhower |