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Bill: Trade Union Rights Campain
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sahabahs Muslim Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2523
Description[?]:
| Article of the Djihad (the newspaper of the SMSP): " Salam worker brother ! The Sahabahs Muslim Socialist Party is creating his trade union rights campain with 3 fundamentals revendications for your worker rigths ! Join us, become a sahabahs and fight, with the aid of Allah, the capitalist system ! Allahouakbar. " |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Employer's rights in regards to firing striking workers.
Old value:: Employers can fire workers who are deemed to have gone on strike without reasonable reasons.
Current: Employers can fire workers who are deemed to have gone on strike without reasonable reasons.
Proposed: Employers cannot fire workers who have gone on strike.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Secondary strike action.
Old value:: Only closely related trade unions can walk out on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Current: Secondary strike action is illegal. Workers and unions can only go on strike for their own pay and conditions.
Proposed: Any trade union can go on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on Democratic Workers' Councils.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Current: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Proposed: The government encourages the formation of Democratic Workers' Councils through subsidies and tax exemptions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:23:13, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Secularist Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | We support this bill. |
| Date | 01:19:02, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Scientific Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | We can support article 2, but not articles 1 or 3. |
| Date | 01:23:05, January 24, 2008 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | We can support this bill |
| Date | 01:57:59, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | We agree with our colleagues of the SLP, article 2 has our support but the others, nope. |
| Date | 13:14:22, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Sahabahs Muslim Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | Public housing zone in the suburb of Wakanda, Meeting of he Trade Union Righs Campaign, With a public of 600 persons, " I am the sister Wacila Abu Diya, member of the SMSP and union representative in the textile manufacturing sector. The SMSP has created the TURC for give more importance to the unions and the Workers'Concils (with Allah's grace) because many Jakanians workers are exploited by capitalists without moral and faith. The TURC wants to encourage workers to join trade unions and to entrance in the djihad for charity, solidarity and socialism. (cheering). [...] Some governmentals parties like the Jakanian Socialist Party and the United Democrats of Jakania support the 3 revendications of the TURC. Other like the khabîth Jakanian Conservative League or the khabîth Secularist Libertarian Party accept just the second demand, but reject the others legitimates demands. They don't want that the workers may have more power because these parties are corrupted by the devil and the capitalist system. We don't moderate our legitimate demands. It's th demands of Allah and the working class ! All articles or nothing ! Long live the working class, long live the people ! Allah ouakbar ! " |
| Date | 13:20:42, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | We truely believe in the free marketplace, a marketplace without huge government legislation. Many Jakanians believe our free enterprise views and if you don't like it, well, that is too bad... Don't try any of that violence against us, we won't take it lightly. |
| Date | 13:35:01, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | Maybe I should break this down... a little look of what you are proposing SMSP in each article. Article 1: Employers cannot fire employees that are on strike. Our view: That is pretty extreme in for the workers over the employers. Employers are people too trying to make a buck in this world. Strikes are bad for everyone and the passage of Article 1 as you propose opens the gate that makes it possible to strike for any reason, for example: Worker 1: "I want to strike." Worker 2: "why?" Worker 1: "Just for the hell of it, and maybe a little pay increase from 9 JAK an hour for working a 20 hour week." So that is one big no from us. ______________________________________________________________________________ Article 2: Any trade union can go on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers, so Sympathy Strikes regulations. We in fact love the proposal as it was before your suggestion to change it, but we are willing to agree on this. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Article 3: Formation of DWPs Because we are pro-small government, government has and should do nothing to form DWPs. If someone want to create one, fine by us, but no government funding, period. |
| Date | 02:24:33, January 25, 2008 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | UDJ's Position: "Our position with article one is a little iffy. We think that the current gives to much power to the employer. To use the JCL's example, an employer can think that firing them for going on strike because there wages were lowered to JAK's an hour. However, I also agree with the issue the JCL brought up, the workers can be going on strike for no real reason. Alas, we are more inclined to side with the workers We all around like the change in article two. Though, we think that the current is very good considering what nation we're in This is actually the only article we oppose in the bill. We strongly support DWP's, but it is not the governments responsibility to provide them with money" - Samuel McGregor; UDJ Speaker on Trade and Industry |
| Date | 02:38:17, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | To further elaborate on the article 1 subject. We also believe that the current stance of the article is just fine. While workers need to have a right to strike, they need to do so for reasonable reasons to combat 'not so-good' employers. We stand by the fact employers cannot fire workers who have gone on strike with reasonable intentions. As it states: "Employers can fire workers who are deemed to have gone on strike without reasonable reasons." Note the term, 'reasonable'. Now, the term 'reasonable' is truly quite vague. If someone wanted to define reasonable, that is ok with us. We support the common Jakanian worker, but giving them unlimited rights to strike without the fear of getting fired is way too much in the favor of the worker. It is all about perspective. Balance of the workers and the employers is needed, but it shouldn't ever go entirely to one side or another. It is unfair, and it's bad business. All and all, strikes are bad if they last a long time, it doesn't help the worker nor the employer. Heck, if we passed SMSP's proposal of article 1, and if I was an employer running a business in Jakania, I would pack my bags and head to a more business friendly nation. - Herold Tergerson, JCL Spokesman on Trade and Industry |
| Date | 15:12:21, January 27, 2008 CET | From | Sahabahs Muslim Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | The will of the workers is the will of Allah (Soubhanahou wa ta'ala). The strike is the sacred weapon of the working class against the devil capitalist and the DWC are the shield of the workers. Herold Tergerson of the JCL say that the employers will go in other nation. Where is the problem? We must nationalize the factories or the companies of traitors capitalists who run away ! Allah ouakbar ! By the imam brother Ali Abou Bacar |
| Date | 18:52:47, January 27, 2008 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the Trade Union Rights Campain |
| Message | Government alone cannot hold up the economy through the nationalization of businesses. So should small businesses unionize? You forget that employers are PEOPLE, they're not all bad. The nationalization of the Jakanian economy will not happen on my watch. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 119 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 131 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: When elections in a country are held, all bills in the voting phase are reset to the debate phase. |
| Random quote: "If man asks for many laws, it is only because he is sure that his neighbor needs them; privately he is an unphilosophical anarchist, and thinks laws in his own case superfluous." - Will Durant |