We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2522
Description[?]:
| Giving the freedom and choice of clothing to the individual. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: Public officials are not allowed to wear religious symbols while exercising their duties.
Current: It is not permitted to wear religious clothing or religious symbols in public buildings.
Proposed: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:47:39, January 24, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | We are against this. We are a secular country, and anyone who works for the government is thusly an extension of such and therefore must remain secular, atleast while they are on the job. |
| Date | 23:35:19, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | Government must not be allowed to take sides. |
| Date | 23:35:25, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | A secular country does not mean an anti-religious one, this prevents people from wearing a cross around their necks, or other religious symbols. Private companies often allow their employees to wear their religious symbols, the government should not be oppressive in this regard. We fully support this pro-civil rights bill. |
| Date | 23:54:37, January 24, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | It does no such thing, people are allowed to wear a small cross necklace or even a loose headscarf, it prevents blatant things like 5x5 inch religious 'bling' and the full body tent burqas. OOC: Seriously look at fucking RP from the past. |
| Date | 00:30:35, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | The law as it stands prevents any form of religious symbol, big or small. Since there is no middle ground, to protect civilian rights, it must be allowed. OOC: I agree that 5x5 inch religious 'bling' and the full body tent burqas should not be permitted in real-life but it does infringe on people's rights. So, countries/states discriminate or act in the name of reasonable accommodation to control such things. This game is way too simple to handle that sort of reality. =D |
| Date | 01:30:35, January 25, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | OOC: Hence why we add RP aspects to bills, to add a level of sentient complexity the game mechanics themselves are far to primitive (in terms of relative complexity) to handle. |
| Date | 02:06:03, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | We have been trying to get this measure passed for ages. A few parties in Sekowo do not seem to support freedom of religion. |
| Date | 03:38:44, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | You are infringing on the freedom from religion.... |
| Date | 05:20:39, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | Does one have a freedom from atheism? A freedom from knowledge? A freedom from speech, even? The Cult of Rights comes out here. If you have freedom from speech, then I cannot have freedom of speech. If you have freedom from religion, then I cannot have freedom of religion. It is hypocritical to support freedom from religion but not freedom from speech. And it is tyrannical to not support either. |
| Date | 17:02:34, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Peasant Party Of Sekowo | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | Our party has no position on this issue. |
| Date | 23:05:50, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | Personaly, I feel the people should work it out on their own, hence why the government does not take sides at present. OOC: IRL I don't really support free speech.... so.... freedom of relgion and fredom from religon maybe, but speech no... I do not find it hypocritcal, people can do whatever they want, as long as the 2nd party is willing. IE you can smoke, but if the other person in your presence says "please stop", then you must stop. Its quite complicated and I'm not about to waste both our times by explaining it all here, but thats the gist of my rational. I do not expcet many to accept it, hence why I will just settle for government non-interference. (if you just read that line, please read all of this to take it in context) |
| Date | 08:59:54, January 26, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | [[I see. If you do not support free speech, well, that explains things. I'm still allowed to call it tyrannical IC, though. = ]] |
| Date | 15:08:22, January 26, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | Too bad the FDP did not vote. But we know we can count on their support the next time we propose this bill. |
| Date | 15:34:28, January 26, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the CP.0007.2521 Religious Clothing Liberty Bill |
| Message | (no hard feelings, I don't expect many people to agree with some of my more unorthodox views) |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 224 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 360 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 166 |
| Random fact: Particracy has 464 player slots. |
| Random quote: "The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions." - Robert Lynd |