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Bill: Keeping the Elders Young
Details
Submitted by[?]: Catholic Peoples Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2108
Description[?]:
| Decades have passed since the working age of our adults have altered, the state upkeep for the people of 65 and above is getting higher due to the longer avarage age. Pension funds are calculated for an avarage life of 10 after pension. Two years of extra work will increase the pension funds so that younger people don't have to work untill they are death. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The professional retirement age.
Old value:: 65
Current: 67
Proposed: 67
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:38:24, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Keeping the Elders Young |
| Message | Remember how the age used to be 60? Now it's 65, and then it's going to be 67? I'm all for increased productivity, but this is getting out of hand. 66, I'd agree with. But anything above that is pushing it. |
| Date | 20:48:06, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Keeping the Elders Young |
| Message | Is there an option to remove a state dictated retirement age altogether? Ideally I would like subjects to be able to choose their own retirement age. The state pension could be structured so that the later you take it the larger the payment are, like a private pension. The figures could be structured to account for the ageing population. |
| Date | 21:34:21, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Keeping the Elders Young |
| Message | no, because if you look at the age distrubution the population(Only shows them for each region not that nation as a whole I think) is mostly young. You should say that on the forum(under creating law), I'd vote against it though. :P |
| Date | 21:39:05, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Keeping the Elders Young |
| Message | May I ask why you'd vote against individual choice? |
| Date | 02:15:35, September 08, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Keeping the Elders Young |
| Message | individual choice? this prevents the companies from setting the retirement age at 90, and then denying retirement bonuses and extra pensions to people who leave at 65 for health reasons. |
| Date | 08:44:51, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Keeping the Elders Young |
| Message | Has anyone else noticed that the DUP is refering to the citizens of this nation as subjects. |
| Date | 09:38:33, September 08, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Keeping the Elders Young |
| Message | Of all the idiotic things we see from him, THAT is the one you choose to complain about? |
| Date | 19:35:06, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Peoples Party | To | Debating the Keeping the Elders Young |
| Message | 60 was redicilously low, 65 turns out to be too low in all nations....67 is just a small step toward 69 or 70, if one could stop working before that age due to personal investments or savings, of course they are free too. The avarage age is just too high to maintain the elders. We could or let them die in old folks homes, choking in their own food and rotting in their own droppings, or let the starve when we let them trie to keep up for themselves, or we could take care of them and pay pensions that allow them to actually have enough financial strenght. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 445 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 204 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 101 |
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