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Bill: New Foreign Aid Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Greens Party of Rutania
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2110
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards giving aid to foreign countries.
Old value:: The government supplies "tied" aid to poorer nations in return for trading rights.
Current: The government gives high levels of aid to countries in need.
Proposed: The government only gives aid for disaster relief in foreign countries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:15:36, September 07, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | This is perhaps a suitable compromise... |
| Date | 19:21:37, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Against. The government has no right to spend peoples' money solely on other countries. |
| Date | 23:45:50, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Civic Democratic Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | I would rather keep the current system of tied aid with trading rights than make the system fully focused upon disaster relief. We feel that the current system is suitable to the needs of Rutania as well as the needs of poorer countries. |
| Date | 18:15:20, September 08, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Suitable to the needs of poorer countries? It is highly unfair and selfish to not give help to people who starve just because their government refuses to grant us more trading rights than other countries. Not only is that blackmail, it is also anti-free market (and especially anti-fair trade). "Against. The government has no right to spend peoples' money solely on other countries." You seem to forget that in case of a disaster, there is no time to set up a charity and organise some benefit concerts. It is necessary that we can send help right away. Also, I'd love to hea |
| Date | 18:15:36, September 08, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Suitable to the needs of poorer countries? It is highly unfair and selfish to not give help to people who starve just because their government refuses to grant us more trading rights than other countries. Not only is that blackmail, it is also anti-free market (and especially anti-fair trade). "Against. The government has no right to spend peoples' money solely on other countries." You seem to forget that in case of a disaster, there is no time to set up a charity and organise some benefit concerts. It is necessary that we can send help right away. Also, I'd love to hear your opinion if Rutania was struck by a major disaster. |
| Date | 18:16:03, September 08, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Darn double-posts... |
| Date | 19:05:44, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | "You seem to forget that in case of a disaster, there is no time to set up a charity and organise some benefit concerts." And this, as a government, is our problem... why? If individuals wish to donate money (and Im sure that in the case of a high profile disaster they will) then that's fine, but the government does not need to nor should it spend Rutanian money on foreigners. "It is necessary that we can send help right away. Also, I'd love to hear your opinion if Rutania was struck by a major disaster." I certainly would not EXPECT other nations to give us money. If they choose to then I would be grateful, as would I should private foreign individuals give money. But if the disaster occurs here, it is OUR responsibility to sort it out. |
| Date | 19:53:22, September 09, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Indeed, but not all nations have the means to sort it out themselves, which is why we must help them in case of a disaster. Charity funds will only be set up when it is too late, when a disaster occurs we need to send help immediately. Also, Sir, I am shocked by the fact that you do not care at all about foreigners. Here's news for you - THEY ARE ALSO HUMANS! As such it is our duty to help them in times of emergency! |
| Date | 19:57:19, September 09, 2005 CET | From | Greens Party of Rutania | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | What a load of balony. If the government has no right to spend tax payers money overseas on relieveing chronic poverty and asisting in providing basic services [which the current system does] then why not support this Bill which will see it reduced to a bear minimum of expenditure? What the LIP seems to really be saying is 'our friends in uptown make money from this deal'. That argument has nothing to do with providing foreign aid or some bombastic attemept at piecing together policy on the run and all to do with corporate interest. And how exactly is forcing other companies... i mean countries, to grow cash crops, lower the minimum wage, slash education, health and welfare spending assisting the local citizens to improve their standard of living? The only interest being discussed here is money, not aid. As people we have a duty to extend our compassion and concern to ensure basic humane rights are being upheld and we also have a right to expect that in turn our quest for humane rights within our own nation and abroad will be respected. |
| Date | 20:55:24, September 09, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | We support the bill |
| Date | 00:38:01, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | "Here's news for you - THEY ARE ALSO HUMANS! As such it is our duty to help them in times of emergency!" Then YOU give YOUR money if you feel so strongly. Dont make other people give theirs. FORCING people by LAW to give money as "charity" is just wrong, and it's sad that the Freedom party doesnt agree with us. |
| Date | 09:08:10, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Greens Party of Rutania | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | And what name would you call funding the nuclear industry with tax payers money without asking each individual wether or not they wished to support nuclear power? And lets not forget that dirty little truth that this very government gives our sharity to the nations poorest so a few may get a decent education, charity it would seem really does start at home so one what moral grounds does it suddenly end here? |
| Date | 10:28:54, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Nuclear power provides energy to the entire nation = benefit for the entire nation + the best long term source of power. (OOC: Please dont argue about this, just accept it as my opinion. I dont want this to turn into a debate on nuclear power). Aid to other nations = no benefit to our nation. That is why I support the government providing nuclear power but not charity. |
| Date | 14:13:18, September 10, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Aid to other nations benefits the entire world and also Rutania! |
| Date | 14:42:54, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | In what way? |
| Date | 15:07:45, September 10, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | For Rutania the main benefit would be that we would have a new trade partner and that the nations we help like us. That strenghtens diplomatic and economic ties. |
| Date | 17:26:04, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Some of the arguments in favour of this bill i dont agree with but i prefer disaster relief to tied aid |
| Date | 21:26:59, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | "For Rutania the main benefit would be that we would have a new trade partner and that the nations we help like us. That strenghtens diplomatic and economic ties." Disaster relief doesnt create trade. I think you have to reread which side of the debate you're arguing for. Freedom Party - the fact that the aid only goes to one specific cause does not change the principle. Tied aid can do a lot of good for both nations, but government sponsored charity with the money of Rutanians is not right. |
| Date | 14:30:04, September 12, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | If that Government sponsored charity is to help relief the effects of natural disasters like drought, flooding, hurricanes and earthquakes then i am for it. Tied aid is forcing countries to do something in exchange for aid, although i am willing to give aid on conditions, i do not view it as better than disaster relief. |
| Date | 19:11:02, September 12, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | It isnt forcing nations into doing things - they can just turn down the aid. It's just like any other transaction, they have to weigh up the benefits and disadvantages. |
| Date | 19:34:12, September 13, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the New Foreign Aid Bill |
| Message | Saying "give us more trading rights or you will starve to death" IS forcing. ;-) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 231 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 301 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 67 |
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