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Bill: military reforms
Details
Submitted by[?]: Marxist-Separatist Front Of Meria
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2531
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Proposed: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to nuclear weapons in retaliation to a nuclear, chemical or biological attack.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in retaliation to any attack.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:54:46, February 10, 2008 CET | From | Okhranka | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | I thought communists love spending lots on the military while the general population dies of starvation. That's what your ideology is all about, isn't it? |
| Date | 18:53:01, February 11, 2008 CET | From | Marxist-Separatist Front Of Meria | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | you are talking about Stalinists not about communists. |
| Date | 20:18:17, February 11, 2008 CET | From | Okhranka | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | What's the difference? |
| Date | 20:21:19, February 11, 2008 CET | From | Okhranka | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | You havn't got history on your side, do you? Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Minh, Castro, Kim Jong-Il... all the communist leaders throughout history have all been Stalinists. Your ideology is a joke. At least I'm honest about my brutality, communists on the other hand still pretend to be hippies. It all changes when you get into government though, right? ;-) |
| Date | 00:05:29, February 12, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | OOC: As you have already pointed out, all the leaders you have named are/were self-declared Stalinists (or Leninists, particularly in the case of Lenin). To try to draw a distinction between Stalinism and a "purer" version of communism from these examples would obviously therefore fail before it had even been conceived. I'm not sure whether or not it is actually worth entering a semi-serious debate/discussion with you, as I'm sure you're (a) not at all actually interested and/or (b) either a troll or harbouring overwhelmingly disgusting political views anyway. |
| Date | 15:54:20, February 12, 2008 CET | From | Okhranka | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | I'm simply trying to get this message across: communism has no place in politics or governing. Read about the Holodomor or the Killing Fields. |
| Date | 21:26:12, February 12, 2008 CET | From | Marxist-Separatist Front Of Meria | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | 1-I hate hippies, and I know a lot of communists that hate them too. 2-If Communism hasn't got place in the politics, what about Capitalism? This is an ideology that permits that very few peolpe owns the most of the money and the others are under rich's explotation, your ideology are a f***ing shit. 3-The Communism isn't the joke, YOU AND YOUR IDEOLOGY ARE THE JOKE. |
| Date | 21:43:30, February 12, 2008 CET | From | Okhranka | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | Why don't you pack your bags and move to North Korea then? Also, I didn't know many people who fled West Germany to East. Oh and, why did countries in the Eastern Bloc have the highest suicide rates in the world during their existence? Can you name me one surviving, successful communist state? [QUOTE]"This is an ideology that permits that very few peolpe owns the most of the money"[/QUOTE] As opposed to communism that makes everybody piss poor... apart from "El Presidente" of course. Communism is a failed ideology, for lazy punk ass University students that think the world owes them a living. Pathetic. |
| Date | 22:19:58, February 12, 2008 CET | From | Marxist-Separatist Front Of Meria | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | Capitalism is for old men, stupid nazis/fascists and insane people. Can you name me one Capitalist State where the rich and poor people are treated like equals? Why don't you pack your bags and move to the past to Nazi Germany? Do you know all about Communist or you are a stupid that listen to all that his politicians say? If you don't know nothing about Communism you CAN'T talk about it. If Communism is a failed ideology, why you take his economical ideas when your economy falls down? Do you remember the 29 crack and the nacionalization of all banks, when the Capitalism was sick, all of you, suckers, took our ideas. If you want to be a slave of richest people it is your problem not mine. |
| Date | 22:25:34, February 12, 2008 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the military reforms |
| Message | Gentlemen, calm your heels. I think we can all agree that benevolent dictatorship is the way forward. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 186 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 457 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 23 |
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