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Bill: Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: JDW Tukarali Greens Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2532
Description[?]:
| our nation refuses to recognize a strict separation of church and state, but there has been a trend lately to defer decisions to local gov. while not as desirable as enforced separation, at least this is a step in the right direction |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The remuneration of ministers of religion shall be left up to the local governments.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:49:04, February 14, 2008 CET | From | JDW Tukarali Greens Party | To | Debating the Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill |
| Message | our nation refuses to recognize a strict separation of church and state, but there has been a trend lately to defer decisons to local gov. while not as desirable as enforced separation, at least this is a step in the right direction |
| Date | 13:37:21, February 14, 2008 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill |
| Message | Wasn't this just recently defeated? |
| Date | 20:55:41, February 14, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill |
| Message | It most certainly was, 93 votes for, 369 against, 38 abstaining. |
| Date | 02:40:38, February 15, 2008 CET | From | JDW Tukarali Greens Party | To | Debating the Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill |
| Message | remember the recentness of a bill has no bearing on the discussion only the GLDS and JDW are "bored to death" by introducing the same bills every cycle. no other party supported that resolution, including RP or JUP so I really hope you ARE bored to death by the fact I just introduced this bill |
| Date | 02:43:34, February 15, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill |
| Message | It's entirely your prerogative if you want to waste a proposal on a bill that will certainly fail. |
| Date | 02:44:46, February 15, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill |
| Message | I would say that separation of church and state is a party position. There is nothing saying that we have to separate the two. |
| Date | 03:04:35, February 15, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill |
| Message | The separation of church and state is part of our constitution, since people accept it as being fundamental. It is part of the very fabric of our society. |
| Date | 03:43:50, February 15, 2008 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Local Gov to Determine Cleric Pay bill |
| Message | Defeated |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 93 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 407 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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