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Bill: Industrial Reorganization

Details

Submitted by[?]: Rationalist Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2110

Description[?]:

This party sees no reason for the government to continue to control industries like steel, oil, and lumber, as the private sector is forced to compete and imports can be reasonably priced if there is a rise in demand.
Conversely, energy is a commodity that everyone must use, it is easily controlled by a few companies, and almost impossible to import economically.
Thus, we would propose the following bill.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date21:24:38, September 09, 2005 CET
FromConservative Party of Telamon
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageOn your first proposal, you want the government to control all the energy...yet you will not subsidize it, if something were to happen to the market?

Date21:34:42, September 09, 2005 CET
FromTelamon National Party
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageWe will be voting no to this absurd bill.

Date21:41:10, September 09, 2005 CET
FromRationalist Party
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageC: I'm not sure I understand, I feel the government should control all electric companies, yes. But other than that industry I don't see why the government should engage in corporate welfare. Though, if people want, I will change the second to either the gov't as an investor of last resort, or the subsidy one.

Date11:55:45, September 10, 2005 CET
FromUnited Liberal Alliance
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageArticle 1 I will not support as I have made clear on a number of ocassions. Article 2 I could support though I feel that perhaps the government should provide some relief as an investor of last resort to strategic companies or indeed the subsidy one. So get rid of article 1 and I'll think about it.

Date11:57:10, September 10, 2005 CET
FromUnited Liberal Alliance
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageArticle 1 I will not support as I have made clear on a number of ocassions. Article 2 I could support though I feel that perhaps the government should provide some relief as an investor of last resort to strategic companies or indeed the subsidy one. So get rid of article 1 and I'll think about it.

Date15:39:01, September 10, 2005 CET
FromRationalist Party
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageThis actually will result in a less regulated economy. The only reason I want public hydro is that private consistantly means higher prices and low supply. The government cannot control production or production costs and in order for companies to make money, they petition for higher prices, mothball power plants, or beg for government handouts.

Date15:40:51, September 10, 2005 CET
FromRationalist Party
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageChanged #2

Date21:25:13, September 10, 2005 CET
FromUnited Liberal Alliance
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
Message2: agreed
1: still no, price regulation is ok

Date07:33:27, September 11, 2005 CET
FromRationalist Party
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessagePrice regulation has never worked. This is one of the few industries where there is no viable competition, thus the government should have a monopoly and provide electricity at cost of production (maybe higher for businesses).

Date21:30:20, September 11, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageBut why fill it with government bureaucracy when its not needed? As long as the company is surviving and not charging crazy prices, everything is ok.

Date01:56:01, September 12, 2005 CET
FromRationalist Party
ToDebating the Industrial Reorganization
MessageYes, there will be a small increase in bureaucracy, it's unfortunate, but it is offset by the savings in electricity costs. Prior to privatizing Ontario Hydro, the average price of electricity in Ontario was $0.04/kWhr, in order to keep prices down, the government legislated that companies could only charge $0.065/kWhr and that the government would pay any difference in cost if there was one. Since then, prices have rose to peaks of $0.103/kWhr (on days when Ontario was forced to import power). Also, these companies are exporting power to New York, where they can make more money, while failing to bring ailing powerplants back up to full efficiency, which has decreased supply dramatically. Besides Ohio (which is a special and dirty case) I know of no places where privatized electrical generation results in lower prices than public does.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
 

Total Seats: 37

no
    

Total Seats: 166

abstain
   

Total Seats: 52


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