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Bill: A formal demand on the government of Kanjor
Details
Submitted by[?]: House Villayn (AI)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2540
Description[?]:
| The leader of the AF has moved his base to the Kanjori side of the Zanyali mountain ridge. The AF were the same group which on the 11th of august threatened the Aldurian people with a stolen nuclear device. I, Fredérick Varanzý, proposes the following motion. By voting for this, the Aldurian Imperial Government unamously condemns the terrorist agents of the AF, and the organisation is hereby to be declared a terrorist insurgent group which should be hunted down and defeated! 1. The government of Kanjor is required to carry out the following demands directed at them by the Imperial Government of the Aldurian Republic Empire.' 2. The government of Kanjor should install military curfew in western Vagderra, and extradict all Aldurian nationals residing in the region without a proper identification card to Aldurian authorities. 3. The government of Kanjor should with-take measures to seal the border regions with the Aldurian Republic Empire. 4. The government of Kanjor should with-take military action against the AF militants and their Vagderran counterparts. 5. The government of Kanjor should freeze the accounts of Kanjori nationals assisting the AF extremists. 6. The government of Kanjor should arrest or neutralise the following persons and deliver them to the Aldurian security services. Jeromé Brecker - AF leader Walter Morgaue - AF terrorist Jim Swanson - Money Launderer 7. If failed to accommodate these humble demands, the imperial government of the Aldurian Republic Empire is forced to unilaterally reestablish peace and calm at our eastern border utilising the means necessary to accomplish that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fredérick Varanzý, Foreign Minister |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:36:17, March 01, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | This is a little demanding, but it is requred. I say we talk with the Kanjors, and not say we are forceing them into this. They have a choice, but For their world reputation, it would be to their benifit to help us arrest and bring to Justice, these terroist. If not for the Imperial government, then for the sake of the people in southern Se. For if anything drastic happened here it would effect them also. |
| Date | 15:36:42, March 01, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | OOC: Should have Emperor Philippe Villayn II under that. |
| Date | 15:52:06, March 01, 2008 CET | From | House Villayn (AI) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | We could reformulate and moderate it when we are sending it. |
| Date | 16:08:25, March 01, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | I have conttacted their Ambassador and told him to take a look at this bill. Vice Foregin Minister Victor Frine |
| Date | 22:31:01, March 01, 2008 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | If it is found that any of the above have committed any wrong doing, as-has-yet-to-be evidenced, then we will consider handing them over to your authorities. However these articles we disagree with; "1. The government of Kanjor is required to carry out the following demands directed at them by the Imperial Government of the Aldurian Republic Empire.'" For, we are not yours to command. "2. The government of Kanjor should install military curfew in western Vagderra, and extradict all Aldurian nationals residing in the region without a proper identification card to Aldurian authorities." We are a free country, we do not support curfews to oppress our people, and we most certainly will not hand back over those unfortunate enough to be Aldurian in these troubled times. "4. The government of Kanjor should with-take military action against the AF militants and their Vagderran counterparts." Kanjor does not breed scum. "5. The government of Kanjor should freeze the accounts of Kanjori nationals assisting the AF extremists." We will note subvert freedom. "7. If failed to accommodate these humble demands, the imperial government of the Aldurian Republic Empire is forced to unilaterally reestablish peace and calm at our eastern border utilising the means necessary to accomplish that." If your troops cross our borders without proper permission by the Chief of State, the Prime Minister, or the Senate, we will execute them. And we are not particularly happy that Alduria feels it can invade our nation when ever it sees fit. Allysin Chaktisè Undersecretary to the Chief of State The Popular Movement Kanjor. Si nous trouvons qu'il y a d'évidence des actes illégales contre le gouvernement Kanjoran, nous considérions pour te donner les criminels. Mais comme il est, il y a rien d'évidence. Nous sommes pas en accord avec les articles Un, Deux, Quatre, Cinq, Six et Sept. Et si vous sont sous l'impression que Kanjor est sous subordination que Alduria. . . vous avez fait un grand erreur. Mdme Vardi Chef D'Etat Union Pour Un Mouvement Populaire Kanjor |
| Date | 00:11:35, March 02, 2008 CET | From | House Villayn (AI) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | We could actually provide you with a satellite map marking out terrorists bases within the Kanjori border. And for demands, you have let those terrorists slip in. As for threats of war, We do still remember the 2320;s when Kanjor threatened to invade Alduria. The Aldurian Republic Empire is an Enlightened Monarchy, and would never, ever, EVER, invade or lay claims on parts of Kanjor. http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8467/00alduria13pt1.png |
| Date | 00:35:56, March 02, 2008 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | "The Aldurian Republic Empire is an Enlightened Monarchy, and would never, ever, EVER, invade or lay claims on parts of Kanjor." This would seem to be a contradiction: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=177249 |
| Date | 00:40:08, March 02, 2008 CET | From | House Villayn (AI) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | That is a long-term process, which the Pan-French movement of Alduria wants to achieve. That was before LYA even was a political party, and it was a demand from the youth movement. Democracy means that all opinions come forth. And remember that LYA is just a political party today, and subjected to the will of the entire coalition. We do not want to wage war with other nations, nor do we strive to subvert their independence. We would like to integrate all of South Seleya though, and Alduria is simply the largest of the nations of South Seleya. |
| Date | 02:33:26, March 02, 2008 CET | From | House Villayn (AI) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | To conclude this, the imperial government of Alduria needs to hold a closed session to decide on a good strategy. |
| Date | 05:50:01, March 02, 2008 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | A closed session? On how best to conquer my people? The Kanjoran Government formally requests an audience with your estimeed Emperor. As soon as possible. Un session fermé? A propose d'un guerre contre mes citoyens? La Gouvernement voudrait qu'il peut avoir un session ferme avec ton Empereur. A Tot. Elaine Vardi Chief of State Chef d'Etat Union for a Popular Movement/Union Pour un Mouvement Populaire Kanjor |
| Date | 05:54:12, March 02, 2008 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | However, we would like to apologize, and ask you to rest assured as our military searches for. . .these terrorists. Francois Strauss-Kahn Kanjor |
| Date | 07:26:52, March 02, 2008 CET | From |  Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | We are sure that Kanjor will cooperate in rooting out these terrorists. However, this strongly worded bill is not the way to do it. A request, rather than an explicit demand, will suffice in seeking Kanjoran cooperation. Jean-Christophe Clermont, Duc de Moisdonne Premier Ministre du Rildanor |
| Date | 13:11:35, March 02, 2008 CET | From | House Villayn (AI) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | Yes, but understand that the Aldurian people is frustrated. Be sure that the Imperial Government will act cool-headed. |
| Date | 13:36:34, March 02, 2008 CET | From | House Villayn (AI) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | This is a matter for both Alduria, Kanjor and Rildanor, and should be solved in a conference. |
| Date | 20:04:45, March 02, 2008 CET | From | Bloc Libéral - Soldats du Kanjor | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | \\Communiqué Officielle de la Ministère de Défense de l'État Libre et la Premier Ministre// Chèr(e)s Aldurien(ne)(s), Not long ago during the state of emergency in Alduria, our forces on the border with your nation were formally and fully placed in Emergency and high alert directly at the border with your nation. There is no conceivable way for the AF terrorists to have actively entered Kanjoran territory and the Free State without being shot or fired upon by our forces at the borders. We ask if this is a rouse or not to agitate international tensions or if you have actual proof that armed terrorists somehow bypassed our standing military. Sincèrement, Antoine Boisclair, Général Ministre de Défense de l'État Libre Anne-Marie Latierre Primier Ministre de l'État Libre |
| Date | 20:14:19, March 02, 2008 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | We are sorry to say but Rildanor has no place discussing the Affairs of Kanjor, and Alduria. |
| Date | 21:07:54, March 02, 2008 CET | From | House Villayn (AI) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | "Not long ago during the state of emergency in Alduria, our forces on the border with your nation were formally and fully placed in Emergency and high alert directly at the border with your nation. There is no conceivable way for the AF terrorists to have actively entered Kanjoran territory and the Free State without being shot or fired upon by our forces at the borders. We ask if this is a rouse or not to agitate international tensions or if you have actual proof that armed terrorists somehow bypassed our standing military." The highest concentration of Kanjoran forces are placed in the border between Zanyal and the Zanyal Valley, and we both know that the mountains between the ZV and Vagderra are quite hard to patrol. In fact, people there often use mountain paths to walk across the border, often with harmless purposes. The AF has built an active presence in those mountains for a long period of time now. |
| Date | 21:27:07, March 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | Well I am glad to see that I leave the nation to go see my father-in-law for a few months, and all hell breaks lose in my government. ENOUGH OF THIS. Kanjor I do appologies for the rashness of the young in my nation, they have lived in chaos for so long, they sometimes do not remember what the consequenses of their actions might be. We will join the Accord NBM not for the trade agrrement part, but for the wellbeing of Aldurians, and the Kanjorians. We are both French nations. WE ARE BOTH SOUTHERN SE.! We have an obligation to proetect eachother and help eachother in our times of need. These Terroist the AF have threatened my family, my allies, and most of all my felloe citizens, and I will not stand for them to get away with what they have done. There is a chance that they could have slipped into Kanjor without us knowing and even the Kanjors knowing. That is why we should join this Accord so that together we can work as one, to establish a coalalition to hunt down these murders,terroist,anarchist scum that they turly are. This is a new era, and I will not start it off by sending this region into a blood war of land. Maybe someday in another generation, a unifed southern SE state might be possible, but today, an in this gernartion, the time and the desire to do so does not exist. We are the Aldurian Republic Empire, and I as its protector, and symbol, Emperor Philippe Villayn II will not in any way send, my Imperial Army into Kanjor, unless I have permission to do so from the Kanjorian government. Long Live the Free State of Kanjor, and the Aldurian Republic Empire. His Imperial Excellency, Emperor Philippe Villayn II |
| Date | 22:28:58, March 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | Well UNMP you may speak for Kanjor, but I say that Rildanor does have a place in disscusing something like this. Maybe not with Kanjor, but at least with these terroist who could have just as esly gone north east insted of southeast. We must work together, and stop this bickering, before we start to look like fools to the rest of Terra. Vice Foreign Minister victor Frine |
| Date | 22:49:14, March 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | Elaine Vardi, I will gladly meet with you, and I am sorry for my late response, my Mary had not seen her father in some time so we took a vaction to Luthori. I can see as I stated early that things can not be left alone as I thought they could. I am sorry for the inconviance, and will gladly meet at any time. |
| Date | 02:45:52, March 03, 2008 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | Kanjor speaks for itself. Rildanor has no say in this specific issue, on whether or not your military forces can cross our border, and create havoc. François Strauss-Kahn Secrétaire |
| Date | 23:42:22, March 03, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the A formal demand on the government of Kanjor |
| Message | We hardly think Rildanor was intervening in anything. My comments earlier was one made in the name of peace and UPMP comment is highly insulting and baseless, especially since I came to the defence of Kanjor as well. In the event of war, Rildanor will naturally be lured in because it is an immediate neighbour of both countries and because of the Accord, which stipulates we automatically come to the aid of Kanjor. Therefore, M. Strauss-Kahn and his party not only showed reckless disregard for its close ally but its actions and words is mired in political immaturity. Jean-Christophe Clermont, Duc de Moisdonne Premier Ministre du Rildanor |
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