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Bill: Educational reforms II

Details

Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party for Equality

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: January 2111

Description[?]:

1. Schools should not be allowed to physically abuse children. It is an inadequate form of discipline, and can cause trauma. To ensure that corporal punishment is not allowed we must remove the choice from the schools.

2. Sex education informs teenagers, allowing them to act more responsibly and with more knowledge of the outcome of their actions. This will reduce the occurences of teenage pregnancy and the need for abortions.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date13:05:01, September 11, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageWe feel is should be left up to the individual school and Parent Teacher Associations in both cases.

Date13:22:45, September 11, 2005 CET
FromLiberal Party for Equality
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageYou think teachers should be able to hurt their pupils?

Date13:28:40, September 11, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageNaughty ones yes.

Remember we have Home Schooling too, you can't ban a parent from discipling their own child.

However I prefer that it were left up to the schools themselves, rather than central government imposing its authority on the regions.

Date13:29:39, September 12, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageThe AAP fully endorses Article 1, but is inclined to agree with the CPL over article 2. Perhaps we can work out a way of endorsing the policy jointly between the CPL and the AAP?

Perhaps the LPE can mitigate Article 2 to please the CPL, in return for a 'yes' vote on the other article?

Date15:48:15, September 12, 2005 CET
FromAM Radical Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageThe RLP feels that both issues should be up to the individual schools. If a parent disagrees with the policy of the school his child attends, there are alternatives for them. We must regretfully oppose this intrusion of a paternalistic government.

Date17:25:21, September 12, 2005 CET
FromLiberal Party for Equality
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
Messagereply to AAP: we feel the second article to be the more important, so unfortunately we wish to keep this bill intact. We appreciate the support for the first article, however, and in the event that this bill is defeated may resubmit that proposal seperately.

Date23:01:15, September 12, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageResponse to the RLP: While we agree that schools should have a great deal of autonomy, we also believe there SHOULD be some things that ALL schools are obliged to teach... like the Likatonian mother-tongue, basic mathematical principles... and sex education.

For far too long, backwoods Likatonian schools have shrugged-off teaching sex-education to the youth, whether it be from 'moral outrage', squeamishness, or the sense that it is 'inappropriate' for teachers to talk about such things.

The unfortunate upshot, of course, is that we have an entire generation of Likatonian youth who don't even know what goes where, or how far is 'too far'.... a generation of youths who don't even know HOW boyfriend A got girlfriend B pregnant.

Date10:23:47, September 13, 2005 CET
FromConservative Liberal Party
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
Message"And long may it be so", chuckled a Senator from the backwoods of Sorbanika.

Date14:16:09, September 13, 2005 CET
FromAM Radical Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageResponding to the AAP: The difference, in our opinion, is that there is a values component to sex education which is lacking in purely fact-based subjects like basic mathematical principles. We feel that this component is what the individual schools need the freedom to teach based on the beliefs of the governing board. Even teaching only a factual course is value-laden, by implying that there is no values component to the subject.

Date22:53:05, September 13, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageResponse to the RLP: How is there a values component to sex education? The AAP accepts that there may be 'values' issues around sex and sexuality... but sex EDUCATION needs to teach what sex is, what the risks are, and how to avoid them. That is it's purpose.

Parents SHOULD be taking responsibility for instilling 'values', if they wish to... but we cannot allow the 'facts' to be ignored just because SOME parents feel squeamish talking about biology.

Date23:36:22, September 13, 2005 CET
FromLiberal Party for Equality
ToDebating the Educational reforms II
MessageThere are 'values' components in many subjects, by that definition. Yes, it is against certain religions to encourage contraception, but take history for example. It can be taught in a way that presents a certain historical event as beneficial or not beneficial. Once you start on quibbles like this, nothing (except maybe maths) becomes acceptable to teach. Even sience can become controversial - should we teach the big bang theory and evolution, or would that offend some people? You can't be quite so touchy about education, otherwise nothing gets taught.

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Voting

Vote Seats
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Total Seats: 127

no
    

Total Seats: 134

abstain
 

Total Seats: 14


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