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Bill: Fire Service
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Theocrats
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2544
Description[?]:
| Seriously, we need a national fire service. This isn't something you can piss about with. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Firefighting services.
Old value:: Fire prevention and management is left to the local governments.
Current: Fire prevention and management is left to the local governments.
Proposed: There is a national fire department, funded by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:16:30, March 10, 2008 CET | From |  Party for a Federal Meritocracy | To | Debating the Fire Service |
| Message | Where ever possible government functions should be done at the local level. They should always be done at the lowest reasonable level. |
| Date | 20:03:17, March 10, 2008 CET | From | Social Theocrats | To | Debating the Fire Service |
| Message | What are you basing that on? Local government should manage things to small for the national to and national government should control everything to large for local. The fire service falls under the latter. |
| Date | 20:08:50, March 10, 2008 CET | From | Party for a Federal Meritocracy | To | Debating the Fire Service |
| Message | Uh, no. Not just things "too small" for the state. Local governments should manage everything that is not impossible or irrational (for example--local research of nuclear weapons; too much possibility of abuse or danger to others). I fail to see how fire service is "to large" anyway. |
| Date | 20:29:49, March 10, 2008 CET | From | Social Theocrats | To | Debating the Fire Service |
| Message | Because some thins are to expensive for a local government to provide on its own. Say a large fire starts, then just firemen and engines might not be enough to stop it spreading. Helicopters, mass clearances etc. are things local government can't afford, hence it falls to national government. PS Why should they manage everything instead of national government? Just saying 'it should' isn't to effective. PPS IRL I'm firmly in favour of devolution to the lowest level. Your not doing it justice. |
| Date | 22:39:16, March 10, 2008 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the Fire Service |
| Message | That is why there are grants... where the national and/or state gov't pays for part or most of the 'expensive' stuff for the locals. |
| Date | 10:15:09, March 11, 2008 CET | From | Party for a Federal Meritocracy | To | Debating the Fire Service |
| Message | Grants. loans of equipment, special units at the higher government levels to be used when needed... All sorts of options besides telling the lower level governments that they are incapable of handling local crises. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 60 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 221 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 69 |
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