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Bill: Marriage Reform Bill (2548)

Details

Submitted by[?]: Normand Pluralist Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2550

Description[?]:

Over 80% of violent crime is committed by individuals raised in single-parent homes. We should take measures to ensure that all Sekowan children have two parents.

Additionally, marriage matters are best left to local governments, which are best equipped to deal with regional values and issues.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date22:13:11, March 20, 2008 CET
FromRevolutionary State Socialist Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageRights have no boundries, and as such, this would infringe on them in many ways.

Date22:45:28, March 20, 2008 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageYou oppose all articles?

Date23:48:07, March 20, 2008 CET
FromRevolutionary State Socialist Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageWe may support the couple adoption, if offered incentive, but everything else we oppose.

Date00:42:23, March 21, 2008 CET
From帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageWe oppose all of this.

Date20:30:23, March 21, 2008 CET
FromFree Democratic Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageWe oppose all of these

Date18:15:50, March 22, 2008 CET
FromSekowan Communist Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageSimply ridiculous. Many notorious serial killers were raised in a two-parent home, and most violent crime is commited by individuals raised in a one parent home because they lived in a high crime area or had inherited a genetic disposition towards it. A bill like this would merely increase incidences of spousal abuse as women would lack the right to escape their husbands, and children would suffer as local governments get rid of background checks to cut costs.

Date03:12:39, March 23, 2008 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
Message[[A study conducted by two sociologists, Robert J. Sampson and W. Byron Groves, who analyzed data from hundreds of British communities found that in neighborhoods with a high percentage of single-parent homes the amount of crime was significantly higher. ... In a study by "So powerful was the connection between disrupted families and crime that, once family status was controlled for, neither race nor income had any effect on the crime rate." Nor did dropout rates in a Latino neighborhood studied by Josefina Figueroa-McDonough, "Residence, Dropping Out, and Delinquency Rates, Deviant Behavior 14, (1993): 109ff. The Abolition of Marriage, by Maggie Gallagher pp. 48-49

http://patriot.net/~crouch/adc/jds.html (children without fathers are more than twice as likely to become teenage parents or run into trouble with the law)

http://patriot.net/~crouch/adr/kids.html (children growing up without fathers are 3x as likely to fail school, etc.)

According to "the Garbage Generation" (written by a professor at Cal State), those without fathers are:
1. Eight times more likely to go to prison.
2. Five times more likely to commit suicide.
3. Twenty times more likely to have behavioral problems.
4. Twenty times more likely to become rapists.
5. 32 times more likely to run away.
6. Ten times more likely to abuse chemical substances.
7. Nine times more likely to drop out of high school.

I could find literally hundreds of similar sources and studies finding similar results]]

Date03:30:04, March 23, 2008 CET
FromRevolutionary State Socialist Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageUnfortunatly, your insistance on major localization of marrage had made those points insignificant.

Date03:43:42, March 23, 2008 CET
From帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageOOC:
How many of those people biased towards conservatism/traditionalism I wonder.

I grew up without a father(well he was around about a a few months added up throughout my first 13 years) and I'm not any of those things. Not only that I know a great deal of people who grew up in one parent households and they are'nt any of those either, in fact the ones I do know that have problems (usually with the law) came from two parent households.

So I thusly say that 'The Garbage Generation' is nothing but garbage itself.

Date06:00:58, March 23, 2008 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
Message[[Well, you are in a severe sexual minority, though there are people that argue that it isn't related as much as argue that it is. However, those who argue that there is no demographical difference between families with two parents, and those without fathers, are very few indeed. The evidence is overwhelming.

However: A trend is not the same as 100% correlation. You may well not fit the trend, but that does not make the trend false. Nor are personal associations inherently correct; the MAJORITY of the people I know well are pursuing graduate or medical degrees. That's hardly true to national statistics. The majority of the people I know well also have IQs of well above 120: clearly a statistical impossibility. Personal experience can be extremely deceptive in that regard.

Your claims are essentially the argument of "my feeligns are more trustworthy than science." Well, you're entitled to your own opinion, but I'll trust the research over YOUR personal feelings.]]

Date06:16:15, March 23, 2008 CET
From帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageOOC:
That's hardly science.

Interview 70% or more of the criminal population and 70% or more of people raised in single family homes and then it will be science.

Date06:17:09, March 23, 2008 CET
From帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
MessageOOC:
And since when was homoseuxlaity a 'severe sexual minority' homosexualities make up atleast 10% of the global population.

Date10:21:35, March 23, 2008 CET
FromNormand Pluralist Party
ToDebating the Marriage Reform Bill (2548)
Message[[So, in your opinion, DSP, research is not valid unless it involves studying over 70% of the researched population? That's rediculous. The margin of error would be insignificant with even a fraction that number on such a large base.

Also, most sources seem to place homosexuality at about 1-3% in most countries. Granted, this number is slightly higher (in some countries approaching the 10% figure) when surveys ask if participants had ever had any homosexual experience. But that's hardly the same as being homosexual. Pray tell where you get the 10+% figure.]]

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