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Bill: Gun Control

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: November 2040

Description^[?]:

This bill, if passed, would limit gun sales to licensed persons of the public only. There are to be no exemptions, including for Parliament or Cabinet members. All police force members are to automatically get licenses once hvaing passed an aptitude test.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.

Old value:: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.

Current: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.

Proposed: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

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From	Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	With national secuity under threat from possible illegal immigrants buying guns, this bill would severly regulate who has the right to buy firearms.

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From	Chorus of Amyst
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	As if illegal immigrants would pay attention to gun control laws. This bill will receive no support from the Council.

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From
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	The Shylock Party in unconvinced that this will be an effective piece of legislation. Criminals pay no heed to the law already -- why put the burden on law-abiding citizens?

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From	Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	Surely making it more difficult to obtain guns reduces the number oif criminals who have them?

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From	Chorus of Amyst
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	Even if that is true, it would not make it more difficult by any real degree. Instead, the number of law-abiding citizens with guns will decrease as citizens become fed up with strict licensing laws, thus leaving citizens less protected against criminals.

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From	Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	The libertarian argument seems to rest on the assumption that more guns increases safety. That's at least a debatable proposition: are societies with easy access to gun really safer? The evidence does not seem to back that up.

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From	Chorus of Amyst
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	Comparing countries that have adopted different gun control stances does not provide good data, as countries themselves often have such varied societal situations that such comparisons become nearly meaningless. On the other hand, comparing a single country to itself - whether through time, or between areas of the same country - shows that violent crime is often reduced during the times when and in the places where gun control is lessened.

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From
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	Australia's recent banning of the ownership of a variety of firearms -- and the resulting 300% increase in violent crimes such as home invasions -- seems a particularly relevant point for the Amystian Council's viewpoint, which the Shylock Party concurs with.

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From
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	The lisencing of ugns will cause problems that we have seen in countles countries austrailia being one such exmple that the crime rate actually increases when fire arms and weapons are put under such lisencing.

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From	Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	Really? Hate to go out of character and all, but you got a link on that? I've always looked at it by comparing the US and Canada, similar societies with VERY different crimes rates. (And welcome, by the way.)

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From
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	http://www.gunsandcrime.org/aussiegc.html has some interesting information about gun control and Australia, as well as statistical analysis in general.

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From	Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	Thanks, will take a look.

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From	Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	That web site does not seem to support the NFL's claims. It indicates that there is no evidence one way or the other from Australian cases. It says gun deaths rose and then fell in New South Wales after gun laws took effect, that there was no change in Tasmania, and that gun deaths fell in Queensland. I'd frame the dabte in temrs of: how can we best protect the citizenry's right to freedom from violence?

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From
To	Debating the Gun Control
Message	At the least, it indicates that this will not help against violent crime in any way, making it a fairly pointless bill, particularly in terms of the suggested reframing of debate.

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Voting

Vote

Seats

yes

Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition (17)

Total Seats: 17

Chorus of Amyst (33)

Total Seats: 33

abstain

Cooperative Commonwealth Federation (16)

Total Seats: 16

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