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Bill: Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Royal Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2111
Description[?]:
| 1) Nuclear defence shelters must be enforced throughout the nation for the safety and protection of our citizens. It is the foremost duty of the government to ensure that the public is safe from attack and therefore delegating this responsibility to local government is irresponsible in the extreme. Nuclear defence shelters are needed whether we have nuclear weapons or not. 2) There is no reason why a well regulated arms trade should not be allowed to go ahead. Therefore we suggest that a Parliamentary Committee with an equal numbers of MPs from each party sit on the Arms Agreement Committee to ensure that arms are not sold to morally dubious states. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Civil defence is the government's policy on providing shelters to be used in the event of attacks on major cities, mainly nuclear attacks and bombing.
Old value:: Local authorities are responsible for building and maintaining shelters.
Current: No new buildings may be constructed unless they feature provisions for civil defence.
Proposed: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government does not allow arms to be exported.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:11:31, September 13, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military) |
| Message | Article 1 can be removed...unless the other bill passes... |
| Date | 19:11:23, September 13, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military) |
| Message | The "damage" of local shelters was hardly imposed by the LLF alone. Look to the "libertarian" votes on that, and to the Refusenik's bill attempting to repeal it. We suggest the bill be retitled. |
| Date | 19:40:48, September 13, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military) |
| Message | I decided that local governments are capable of providing adequate shelters...My bill to change this was removed without a vote One more thing RCP, we no longer have a limit on the # of proposals at a given time, or the time it has to be in debate. Proposing reversals before the bills pass isnt very polite in my opinion... |
| Date | 21:39:59, September 13, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military) |
| Message | Politeness? Here? In The Citizen's Assembly? My God, in the decades my party have sat here we have never heard mention of this forgotten virtue! If the Bill has not been passed, why is it included under the "Current" value? Both must have been passed in order for me to able to propose changes to them. |
| Date | 21:40:42, September 13, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military) |
| Message | Oh and this needs to kept waiting for awhile until there is a majority that can pass it. You see, its not only the LLF who can play at being silly buggers |
| Date | 02:28:16, September 14, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military) |
| Message | Article 1 is the proposal that was passed with the support of TiC and left alone after a discussion and compromise was reached. Article 2 is of course supported, but our prefered value is "the government allows all conventional arms to be exported. This is what the people want, and this is what will be most efficient. Case by case inspection doesnt prevent the weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists or other maniacs. All it does is hinder the free flow of goods between nations. Keep in mind that PCL usually takes a more active role in defending our citizens. If nuclear arms are successfully disarmed, then the RCP will have at least two supporters. |
| Date | 12:24:55, September 14, 2005 CET | From | Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition | To | Debating the Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military) |
| Message | No to one, yes to two. |
| Date | 22:40:32, September 14, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Repairing the Damage of the LLF (Military) |
| Message | why wasn't this split? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 112 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 160 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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