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Bill: Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC)
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2554
Description[?]:
| Alright this entire thread is OOC, so you don't need to differentiate. Anyways, we all know we can choose to back someone else for election to the Tenno, and in the past that's been what all of us have done. However, I've been thinking, what if, for awhile, just to see how it works out not backing anyone, that is everyone puts a candidate up, without backing anyone else, and we see how the Tenno elections turn out. I think it would be interesting, and would definitely allow us to see which party(ies) are popular in the long run. So what's everyone think? __________________________________________________________________________________________________________ After discussing this topic, and not comeing to any kind of consesus this bill is being put upt to vote for archival purposes. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:13:49, March 24, 2008 CET | From |  帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | As a side note, as it stands SCP, myself and USMC all do this as it is. |
| Date | 04:56:10, March 24, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | Well, it tends to follow party size to some degree, though not absolutely. |
| Date | 05:12:39, March 24, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | Not necessarily. If a small party has the endorsements of several other parties they're much more likely to win it then if there was no endorsement for anyone. |
| Date | 10:27:09, March 24, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | Yes, but that's not exactly what this bill proposes, eh? |
| Date | 16:22:41, March 24, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | Just stop the cluster-**** of right-wingers endorsing each other. That's all I ask. |
| Date | 17:32:47, March 24, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | Actualy, when I had no seats when I first joined, I actualy got 2nd place for HoS elections, was very odd... |
| Date | 19:50:02, March 24, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | DSP, popularity of the party would be the Folkstmma results. Almost always the same size. Usually one person or so makes a bad choice for support (like I did in Election 2550 - http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewnews.php?newsid=153539) and my party doesn't even appear so my vote is thrown out and there are less parties being voted on. In Election 2546 (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewnews.php?newsid=152310), SCP did not endorse DSP in the 2nd round which would have probably ensured a DSP victory. Given that SCP had 9% in first round and the difference in 2nd round was 6%. |
| Date | 02:47:09, March 25, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | Popularity in the legislature only means who is popular at the time of elections, the HoS popularity tends to be who's popular longer term then that. The point is to make it more fair, since the HoS controls the cabinet, it's undemocratic if 5 parties all endorse each other, since the game mechanics decide the president by endorsements in the second round. |
| Date | 04:28:39, March 25, 2008 CET | From | Pan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | how is that undemocratic? |
| Date | 04:34:58, March 25, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | Because the voters don't have a say, theyre votes are just awarded to whatever part the candidateparty they voted for likes. |
| Date | 07:48:14, March 25, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | That's still democratic. It's like a Republic, eh? |
| Date | 14:47:24, March 25, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | DSP is wrong. The voters votes are not just awarded to whatever party the voters say, it just makes it more likely that one partys voters will vote for another party. If you conduct polling you'll find that those who would vote for PPS do not all back the FDP but in fact back the SCP and DSP as the voters themselves are communists and do not support the capitalist policies of the FDP. Its the same as if the Libertarian Party of America tolds its voters to back John McCain, not all of them would, and some would back the Democrats. The second round is not a tally of the first round, its a free vote between the top two candidates and voters make their own choice as who to vote for, if the DSP were to back the FDP, while some of their voters (more than usual) would vote FDP, you'd find many would ignore the backing and vote SCP |
| Date | 01:25:36, March 26, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | The game mechanics just give the majority of votes to whoever is being backed by a party. |
| Date | 14:18:28, March 26, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | What evidence do you have of that? As I severely doubt it. I conducted a poll, it was done like this: Voters who voted the PPS in the legislative election and voted in the HoS first round election, who they voted for in the first round HoS election. Now according to your theory, they should in the majority back the FDP, here were the results: Normand Pluralist Party 40.5% Sekowan Communist Party 17.5% United Sekowo Moderate Coalition 19.3% Democratic Socialists Party 17.7% Free Democratic Party 5% A similar poll for the first round choices amongst those that voted for the Independence Coalition gave these results: Normand Pluralist Party 65.7% Free Democratic Party 21.6% United Sekowo Moderate Coalition 6.5% Democratic Socialists Party 3.2% Sekowan Communist Party 2.9% While the majority backed the NPP, as I said in a previous contribution, a significant proportion voted for the FDP. Now I ran a poll on the previous HoS election. I ran it for those voters that backed the USMC in the first round, asking who they backed in the second round. The USMC backed the DSP, their voters backed: Normand Pluralist Party 66.7% Democratic Socialists Party 33.3% Conduct the polls yourselves if you want, they'll find similar figures. |
| Date | 14:29:37, March 26, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | FDP is correct. PPS in legislative (who voted) and who they voted for HoS (round 1) Normand Pluralist Party 38.4% Sekowan Communist Party 20.1% United Sekowo Moderate Coalition 16.8% Democratic Socialists Party 16.7% Free Democratic Party 8.1% The others held true too. |
| Date | 16:25:21, March 26, 2008 CET | From | Independence Coalition | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | The fact is this, endorsements are built in to game mechanics, and until such time as they are not, I will continue to use them as I see fit. my $.02 |
| Date | 01:26:03, March 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | My evidence being that I've been watching the results since the HoS was an elected position (roughly 20-30 elections), and the times that a party is endorsed, they get nearly every vote (mathematically speaking) from the endorsement. The real problem is that the game has essentially stopped being developed before it was completed which means that parts of the game that were supposed to work in concert are work completely independently of each other now. |
| Date | 07:14:52, March 27, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | So, complain to the developers? |
| Date | 16:23:11, March 27, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | I've sort of just proved that parties that are endorsed do not get nearly every single vote from the endorsement. This is especially true of the PPS and the USMC |
| Date | 01:17:04, March 28, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | NPP, that won't work, Wouter has said he's not going to devlop the game anymore since he's working on Particracy 2. FDP, true they don't get every vote, however they are given the majority of votes. |
| Date | 10:33:14, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | Not true, in the election where the USMC backed the DSP in the second round, two thirds of their voters backed the NPP instead, only a third backed the party that the USMC endorsed. |
| Date | 22:54:16, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | OOC: I'm going to have to shoot those voters then x.x |
| Date | 05:37:04, March 30, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Tenno Elections Proposal (OOC) |
| Message | =D |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 234 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 347 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 19 |
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