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Bill: Officially ending the war
Details
Submitted by[?]: Lodamun Libertarian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2552
Description[?]:
| The was is over in all practical ways, but lets make it official. If this bill pass the government of Lodamun will officially accept peace with Likatonia Here is what the Likatonian government said on peace agreements: Likatonian Foreign Minister Tobias Vurilus announces to the Lodamunese Parliament of Free Peoples that the Likatonian government shall pay towards post-war reconstruction, especially of devastated cities Zaphograd and Charlesbourg. These funds will be made available to the Lodamunese government after the currently on-going public inquiry into the war with Lodamun. We expect the Lodamunese government to reciprocate by making funds available for the reconstruction of Tiorovsk. The Likatonian government would without doubt be favourable towards a non-aggression treaty, and we will look toward writing one immediately. The Likatonian government would also be willing to offer apologies to the Lodamunese people (although we assert that the Lodamunese war had NOTHING to do with the CURRENT government of Likatonia; we opposed the war consistently and fully throughout), providing the Lodamunese government is willing to offer the same to the Likatonian and Lodamunese people for the ethnic cleansing witnessed in Rapula. Perhaps this may be contained within the non-aggression treaty. If that looks good to the rest of you then lets formalize this peace by passing this bill. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:07:47, March 26, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | Before we vote on this, are they asking for an apology from us? This does not mention disarmament of the border, does it? |
| Date | 19:38:10, March 26, 2008 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | "although we assert that the Lodamunese war had NOTHING to do with the CURRENT government of Likatonia; we opposed the war consistently and fully throughout" On the contrary the "Greater Likatonia National Front" (senior party in the CURRENT government) held the Ministry of Foreign Affairs throughout and the Defence Ministry for most of the conflict. They provided unconditional support for the project throughout. Only with their support could people like James Turner and General Bobby Johnson be given power and guns. Just because the CLP were the intellect (naturally) and the face of the project (we're beautiful), doesn't mean all responsibility rests with us. This CURRENT Likatonian government contains the architects of the War. You should hold them accountable for their actions, past and present. If you don't believe me - look at the cabinet of Likatonia - the current Defence Minister Gerard Weiss of the Greater Likatonia National Front - is the same Defence Minister as during the war. The most vile, evil part of the last government (if you want to think of them as such) are still sitting happily in government, holding all the powers and command of the Likatonian Military. |
| Date | 19:44:04, March 26, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | To all parties of Lodamun; If we do not force stricter peace agreements, we are going to be at risk of getting into another conflict. |
| Date | 20:04:08, March 26, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | To all of those who support this peace offer you should take a look at this bill from Likatonia: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=182302 Likatonia will not demilitarize their borders and blame us for the war. If you want to be invaded again then vote in favor of this bill, if you don't want our country to be invaded again by Likatonia, vote no. |
| Date | 20:59:09, March 26, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | I believe Likitonia should awknowledge Lodamese sovereignty in Rapula. Rapulan citizens should be able to accept Likatonian citizenship, but would be forced to leave the country at Likatonian expense. The agreement should also make provisions for a war crimes tribunal to investigate actions on both sides. If this is the agreement our Foreign Minister worked out, it confirms URP suspicions that he was unsuited for his position. This settlement does not resolve any issues besides reparations - who really cares. Shouldn't we solve the issues which caused the last war and maybe the next one? |
| Date | 00:24:11, March 27, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | OK if you want a tougher peace settlement then thats fine. I just put this one up for a vote to see how you felt about there inital peace offer, there hasent really been much yet |
| Date | 04:00:32, March 27, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | I don't want to be tough. I don't really care about reparations. I'd just like Likatonia to abandon claims on our territory, and to resolve who does and does not want to remain a Lodamese citizen. |
| Date | 04:42:06, March 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | Why don't you care about reparations? We have to pay for what they did, that's absurd. paying reparations is one way ofpunishing themfor their actions. |
| Date | 06:19:51, March 27, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | we pay them, they pay us - that's a wash as far as I see. Wouldn't we rather address the cause of the war? Lodamun is a rich country, I think preventing another conflict is more important than punishing Likatonia. |
| Date | 10:30:29, March 27, 2008 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | "To all of those who support this peace offer you should take a look at this bill from Likatonia: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=182302" That bill was defeated by a huge majority. Likatonia has done nothing. |
| Date | 10:40:36, March 27, 2008 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | If the CLP had supported that Bill, it would have passed....yours was the casting vote it seems... |
| Date | 16:54:36, March 27, 2008 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | No, the CLP voted no from the beginning, the GLNF above (members of the both the current and previous government of Likatonia) initially supported the bill which would have seen it pass. Quote: "We must support" (GLNF) They flipp-flopped and decided to vote against the bill, because as their name suggests, they are in favour of Greater Likatonia, and thus a threat to your nation. Interestingly - they STILL hold the Ministry of Defence of Likatonia - clearly a threat to your nation. |
| Date | 16:56:57, March 27, 2008 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Officially ending the war |
| Message | The GLNF did indeed change their vote...the party conscience was swayed by please from our Zuman brothers. The CLP, on the other hand, never even consider peace, and act in their own self interests. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 45 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 105 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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