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Bill: Flag Proposal
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Zeus Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2553
Description[?]:
| The Ingram Party feels that The Federal Republic of Solentia is in need of a new more updated flag, while we have the greatest respect for the current flag and its vibrant red and green, we feel it needed a change to bring a fresh breath to Solentia and to better represent the country with a more unique symbol. I will leave this bill up for debate until March 2553, i am very interested in your opinions. Signed, Matthew Ingram Ingram Party Chairperson |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2554/solentiaed1.png
Current: https://i.imgur.com/YBSbduQ.png
Proposed: http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/bfmvivi002/flag-1.jpg
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:08:50, March 28, 2008 CET | From |  Solentian Populist Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | You have the full support of the Solentian Populist Party. A new flag is one less thing to remind us of the pagan ways of old. |
| Date | 16:13:15, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | I believe this new flag is a magnificent piece of art and represents our nation much better than the old standard. If this legislation passes we will have a fitting ceremony to 'retire' the old flag and introduce the new. -President General Joe Swanson |
| Date | 16:46:03, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | The current flag will stand. Count on it. |
| Date | 17:11:34, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | "Pagan ways of old?" The current flag was designed specifically not to appeal to any religious group while retaining the colours of the previous flag. The black eagle, however is a throwback to the old Nuncirist flags of the past, which makes me wonder just who these Populists are, and who their supporters are. As a proud member of the Solentian Orthodox Church, and a 3rd generation RadNat you offend me sir. -Paulinus Keshka. |
| Date | 17:24:08, March 28, 2008 CET | From | National Zeus Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | To Paulinus Keshka: We assure you sir that the Black Eagle is in no way shape or form a throwback to any nuncirist symbol, and the fact that you would question the character of our supporters offends us. The color black is a combination of ALL colors, and the Eagle is our nations national animal. We made the eagle black as a statement to say that it is all our differences in viewpoint, religion, and race that make us a great nation and to instill national pride. If we have offended you in anyway we sincerly apologize for your SEVERE misinterpretation of our intentions. Signed, Jairus Ingram Minister of Internal Affairs Ingram Party Spokesman |
| Date | 17:44:02, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Solentian Populist Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | The Solentian Populist Party, albeit apparently evil for supporting change regarding ANYTHING, could not agree more with the Ingram Party on this issue. However, we have confidence in the S.R.N.P.'s pledge that the flag will not change. We are sure that the "coalition" will do everything in its power to prevent this from happening. Signed, Steven Lennox, S.P.P Chairman Hillary Rodham, Administrator |
| Date | 18:07:23, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Solentian Populist Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | You have no reason to question who "these populists" are. We are not new to this government. We are an established, respected party with a new name. We apologize for offending you, sir, but we stand by our position that the ways of old are not in the best interest of Solentians. Respectfully, Steven Lennox, S.P.P. Chairman |
| Date | 19:54:02, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | Absolutely opposed. Have you NO respect for the past at all? James Devreau |
| Date | 20:11:38, March 28, 2008 CET | From | National Zeus Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | I respect the past but i do not have to live in it do I? I feel the current flag, that i have grown up with and loved as a child may i remind you, no longer does justice to our nation, we need a more unique and memorable symbol to lead us into the future. Graciously, Matthew Ingram Ingram Party Chairperson |
| Date | 20:17:50, March 28, 2008 CET | From | National Zeus Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | i will move the bill to voting early as i feel that all valid arguements against and for the flag have been heard. |
| Date | 20:19:21, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | I am sorry to say that I have changed my stance on this topic. In the future we may be able to revisit it but at the time being we wish to keep our current flag as is. |
| Date | 20:22:43, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Solentian Populist Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | The Solentian Populist Party will stand strong by its decision to support the new and improved flag. |
| Date | 21:19:50, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | Not now, not ever! |
| Date | 21:41:51, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | We are happy to see that the current flag, which represents bi-partisan politics and compromise, will survive to beat out this nonsensical replacement. FIP Premier Minority Whip Dennis Kucik |
| Date | 22:05:11, March 28, 2008 CET | From | Independent Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | We greatly prefer the old flag for we have seen if for years and has been a symbol for many years of a great government that always puts the people first. Jack Carver IP leader |
| Date | 04:48:22, March 29, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | OOC: This is really unbelievable guys and gals. It's just a flag....I don't think any insult was intended to anyone here who made it. And heaven forbid that you take offense to Ingram "stepping on tradition" com'on-play a little nicer especially on such trivial issues...my god. I like the old flag, I like the new flag. Does that mean my vote here will get bricks thrown at me? I mean seriously, I think we -all- need to take a few deep breaths and step away from the PC for awhile and just chill out. |
| Date | 05:04:29, March 29, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | OOC: Why should we step aside while you all make change for changes sake... We worked passionately long ago, REAL work, to establish a nation that was unique and Solentia was born as a creation of our joint efforts. Now new parties emerge, attempting to change it all, throw our work out, seemingly just for the pure joy of annoying us. These may seem trivial issues to you, but the IC history and believability of Solentia is of the UTMOST importance to us. |
| Date | 09:06:39, March 29, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | OOC: Solentia is yours and your buddies exclusively now? Why are there elections again...I must be confused. |
| Date | 14:47:55, March 29, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | OOC: Yeah, because it is completely unbelievable that a country would ever have any radical changes in it. |
| Date | 15:14:17, March 29, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | OOC: Oh no, the elections are perfectly fair. Just don't be upset when we regain the power we need and reverse your changes to our work. |
| Date | 16:21:57, March 29, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Flag Proposal |
| Message | OOC: Sorry, my changes had nothing to do with any other party. I tried to push them because I'm playing the game. I could have fun with this game completely by myself, I don't need to annoy other parties to have fun, that is apparently a byproduct. I chose before I ever picked a country how I wanted to run my party and what types of changes I wanted to make, when I chose Solentia I got a little lucky that this countries moral fiber is in line with how I wanted to play. AWESOME. So when you say things like I'm vote mongering or trying to do things against the people you are wrong, I'm going by popular polls, historic trends, and my own parties agenda. Sorry we ruined your tea party, if you want a country other people can't have fun in make a donation and get a private one. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 85 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 282 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 58 |
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