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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of January 2555
Details
Submitted by[?]: Parti Nationaliste Gauche
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2555
Description[?]:
| After calculating things it seems we were wrong on our allocating of ministries to parties; the actual amount of ministries per party based on actual seats in the Senat is this: PRRS - 4 Ministries PNG - 3 Ministries DMR - 2 Ministries PADE - 2 Ministries PPN - 2 Ministries We believe that this proposal is not only more fair and adequate than our previous proposal and the PRRS's proposal but is also the best possible proposal based on the actual votes of the people. |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Democratique Moderne et Royaliste
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the 
Front Canrillaise
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Parti Union Nationale
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Front Canrillaise
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Democratique Moderne et Royaliste
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Parti Union Nationale
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Parti Nationaliste Gauche
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Parti Nationaliste Gauche
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Parti Nationaliste Gauche
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:24:48, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Democratique Moderne et Royaliste | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | ghax ma zidtx il-partiti tal-pajjiz ta' faccata wkoll? |
| Date | 15:29:25, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Democratique Moderne et Royaliste | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | A coalition can't function with 5 parties being involved. There won't be a strong and healthy opposition as all major parties will be having ministries. Democratique Moderne et Royaliste beleives that coalitions should involve the least parties possible. |
| Date | 15:33:24, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Nationaliste Gauche | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | Well perhaps that may be so, but it is wholly undemocratic that a party who is supposedly one of the more liberal and "democratic" parties in the nation proposes a cabinet coalition that excludes the current second largest party. On the other hand we are ready to reduce the number of parties involved in a coaltion but only if we are in it. If you want effectivness you should go for an authotarian system because only an authotarian goverment can be truly effective while a democracy cannot. |
| Date | 17:55:38, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | A Cabinet cannot function coherently if there are too many parties in it. Also, in is not too uncommon for the second largest party to lead the opposition, which is not in any way undemocratic. In fact, it is quite natural for the second-largest party to form the official opposition since they represent the views opposite to that of the largest party, though not always. |
| Date | 19:07:38, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | Infact, it has been the case many times that the largest party itslef was not a member of the cabinet. Rather recently the defunct Partie Capitaliste held the most seats, but was not in the government coaliation, which was made up of many small parties. |
| Date | 19:16:35, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Nationaliste Gauche | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | Well though what you say is true, I cannot see what you mean by 'opposition'; for one I certainly do not think that the Parti d' Aristocratie is of the same ideology as the Ruling party, and actually quite on the opposite side of the ideological spectrum. If the case was that your party ideology was Liberal and Socialist such as the Ruling party than I would say that you were right since the Ruling party had chosen in its proposed cabinet parties which are closely affiliated to its ideological stance,but since that is not the case, I believe that my argument still holds. Though this is as described by the Ruling party a "Right-Centre-Left" Cabinet it does in no way mean that my party represents this 'opposition' you speak of. But, since it seems that this is the way that things are (having not known that this was the way things are dealt it when it comes to cabinets), I shall vote no as well on this bill of mine so as to end it effectively. - PNG |
| Date | 19:17:25, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | Also, as it has been seen here, mon ami, this democracy is extreamly effective. Political alliances are based on ideology, the PRRS the PADE and the DMR have, at least from a relative perspective, very simmilar stances -- and while not always in agreement would function well togeather as a government. The rare instances where political ideology did not factor into the formation of a government were largely the result of wars - requiring a caretaker government, or during even splits - a powersharing agreement, but the latter does not happen anymore do to the odd number of seats. |
| Date | 19:23:27, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | OOC @ PNG: my last post was made before your last. well the ideology thing is not perfect, but the political centre seems to be somewhat to the right so the line of even devision is a little scewed. also when confidence issues come up cabinets will form along them. for example support of the monarchy, when it is brout up, is a confidence issue meaning that no matter what the results are new coaliations will form along the vote. however, when there are not any confidence issues dominating the electorate, loose ideolocal corriliations will form the government. |
| Date | 19:43:33, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Nationaliste Gauche | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | Oh, I see what you mean. Well, I guess I should have taken example from my own country I guess where the opposition party with one seat less in parliment has no ministerial positions. I guess you were right. |
| Date | 20:36:11, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Democratique Moderne et Royaliste | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | what a happy ending....I wish parties from other countries would come across this debate. Why don't we make a turkish kebab picnic to celebrate this democratic victory. We can sit on carpets, drink turkish sweet wine and finish the night worshipping Ataturk |
| Date | 21:22:20, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | Hello there, I would just like to point out, that it is not true that an alliance this large would not work and would be bad for opposition. In our nation all but one party is in an alliance called the IA (Imperial Alliance). In it the only requirement is that they uphold the Imperial Constitution and protect the Emperor. Other than that they may vote in any fashion that they wish. We still discuss things, and in fact not having the same political views as our allies allows us to better understand the different views, and makes it possible for a better nation to exist. Now yes that one party that is not in the IA does have trouble getting things though, but they have due to parties being able to vote as they wish. So to say that a Coalition this large would fail is wrong, for it can work especial in a nation like this where the King can be seen as the symbol that holds such a coalition together. As a side note, this also allows the parties that due have a fair number of seats, but still not the largest to have a say in the government and get some background jobs so that they can gain some popularity in elections for running that Ministry well. FA of Alduria Victor Frine |
| Date | 22:51:34, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | Well, every nation is different. Here there have been some attempts to have multi-ideology bloc form (usually as a result of confidence issues) and they tend to be plagued by infighting and a stagnat policy. (OOC: no really look at some debates in the past and the harshest retoric is directed at members of multi-ideological coaliations, IC:) We are also happy that this bit is sorted. |
| Date | 22:59:44, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | Mmm kebabs :) But we are in Rildanor; those are unpatriotic! Croissants for everyone! |
| Date | 05:42:41, April 03, 2008 CET | From | Parti Nationaliste Gauche | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of January 2555 |
| Message | I would rather go for French rabbit! But I love kebabs..and also croissants:D |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 289 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 14 |
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