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Bill: United Cabinet
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Sizpoao Comrade RevolutionRedArmy
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2555
Description[?]:
| According to Beluzia defence party kick me out, so i also kick him out here and i bring all other parties except beluzia defence party. it is time to unite |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Cooperion Monarchist-Zogist Alliance
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the United Sizpoao Comrade RevolutionRedArmy
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Constitutional Monarchy Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the United Sizpoao Comrade RevolutionRedArmy
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Cooperion Monarchist-Zogist Alliance
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Constitutional Monarchy Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the United Sizpoao Comrade RevolutionRedArmy
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:24:54, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Beluzian Defense and Federalist Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | You voted against a cabinet that included you... are you kidding? |
| Date | 20:25:38, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Beluzian Defense and Federalist Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | hold on, didn’t see who made the proposal.... I kicked out the 2 parties that voted with me 30% of the time. Check the voting stats |
| Date | 20:32:50, April 02, 2008 CET | From | United Sizpoao Comrade RevolutionRedArmy | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | huh...but i dont see any of my name there lol so i make this proposal...erm i check again |
| Date | 20:37:11, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Beluzian Defense and Federalist Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | I read the description and thought it was the PPP. Its not personal, we vote together 21% of the time, which means your party is my direct opposition. Besides, anything with over 50% of the legislature is overkill anyway. |
| Date | 20:43:21, April 02, 2008 CET | From | United Sizpoao Comrade RevolutionRedArmy | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | what you mean " I read the description and thought it was the PPP" ya ur party is capitalist, my party is socialist, sure opposition haha |
| Date | 20:59:55, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | Mines in between... we are largly laizzes faire for the purpose of a strong economy, but we have much in common with ZSRA. |
| Date | 21:02:46, April 02, 2008 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | we should make a coalition w the Beluzian Defense and Federalist Party, but not on their terms alone... |
| Date | 21:35:13, April 02, 2008 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | I suggest that the terms of coalition are : a fair number of seats for all members of the coalition, negotiation on monachy, etc. |
| Date | 22:30:38, April 02, 2008 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | Anyone who agrees to support Restoration of Zog as monarch can be included in any PPP cabinet. Everything else is negotiable. There is a great deal of flexibility regarding these other matters, but we shan't be railroaded either... some compromise can and will occur. |
| Date | 00:12:57, April 03, 2008 CET | From | Beluzian Defense and Federalist Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | Anyone who willingly supports the institution of giving any one party totalitarian control of the government is foolish, as is this proposal. That is exactly what a monarchy is: totalitarian control. You may be able to pass a government that excludes me, but you will NEVER have enough seats to be able to re-establish the monarchy, as long as me, Tax and Spend and the NMRP exist. And I ask anyone in the Zog coalition this, why would you ever settle for “Food and Agriculture” when you could be head of state? Its not You will simply never have 2/3 of the votes. So rather then focus on a pipe dream, I instead focus on create a cabinet of parties that are similar to mine, and vote similar to me, but yet somehow that means that I should not be included in a "united cabinet"? In the last election, 1 out of every 4 Beluzians voted for me. I won the presidential election by almost 10% and 20 million votes. And yet when I fail to include a party that banned cars and mandates killing the old and sick, somehow I am worthy of being excluded from the cabinet. When I don’t attack our neighbors, I deserve a vote of no confidence, despite the fact that as the Defense Minister and the Commander in Chief of the Beluzian Armed Forces I was not even consulted first? That’s not what my party stands for now, will it ever be what my party stands for. You may have a cabinet coalition, but the PPP and BNP vote with the ZSRA 40% of the time and with me around 60% of the time. My legislation will still get passed, and this country will still be a free, better place as long as I am on watch. If it comes down to it, someday, much sooner then the day that you have 2/3 of the legislature, I will have a coalition of 50% of the liberals and will be back in the cabinet. Just remember that you may win now, but I will win later. |
| Date | 01:20:18, April 03, 2008 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | Monarchy is not totalitarian, the constution bars it. |
| Date | 16:11:04, April 03, 2008 CET | From | Beluzian Defense and Federalist Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | Monarchy prevents the people from electing a head of state and rather gives them one we so choose… |
| Date | 16:14:50, April 03, 2008 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | Well not exactly, the people have to elect that person in the first place. With our current Referendum the people are fully aware that if they elect Zog they are voting in favour of monarchy. |
| Date | 16:59:40, April 03, 2008 CET | From | Beluzian Defense and Federalist Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | So if the people really want Zog to rule the country then there is no reason a monarchy is necessary. I have much less of a problem with Zog running the country, than with the fact that is there would be no check on his power if he were monarch. |
| Date | 17:02:36, April 03, 2008 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the United Cabinet |
| Message | A constitutional monarch doesnt have the power of the High Chancellor, or a President. Power is usually exercised through the Cabinet Ministers. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 505 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 181 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 64 |
| Random fact: RP laws follow the same passing rules as in-game variable laws. Laws that are not of a constitutional nature require a simple majority "Yes" vote from active parties currently holding seats. Laws that are of a constitutional nature require a 2/3 majority "Yes" vote from active parties currently holding seats. RP laws may be abolished a simple majority vote this applies to ANY RP law. |
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