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Bill: Announcements Room (UNC)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolutionary State Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2579
Description[?]:
| Well, this whole thing disbanded so.... time to vote with your friends, lets see all those yes no votes for the sole purpose of rasing/lowering your agreement percentage with other parties! |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:10:20, April 07, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Much appreciated. Now, as the AAT is threatening to oppose to UNC and specifically to the peacekeeping forces of Kafuristan, you, as members of the organization must gather and prepare your army for a possible situation. The UNC administration is not requesting you to obligatory participate in the conflict, but inform you of the incident. Please, for more information, advise the relative media broadcasting stations. |
| Date | 15:11:20, April 07, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Kafuristan has initiated an enactment to invade Deltaria in the name of justice and peace. The UNC administration would like to warn you to prepare your army by proposing a relative bill. |
| Date | 20:51:19, April 07, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | LUP, the Sekowan military thanks you for warning us of your decision. We will notify the sub-commands so they are aware. However, the military forces of this nation will not attack any other nation without reason and approval by the majority of the Folkstmma. Therefore I see no reason to prepare the army at the present time. Peter Kurt Baumgartner Minister of Defense |
| Date | 23:21:01, April 07, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Unless we are required by whatever let us join this, I'll have to dig it up and look later. (and in that case, we technicaly already have majority approval anyway) |
| Date | 03:33:56, April 08, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | USMC, I believe you are correct. DSP, IC, SCP and USMC together form more than 50% of the Folkstmma. The four remaining parties (CP, FDP, NPP, PSFA) have not endorsed this alliance. I will notify our military leaders of the current situation and present a bill shortly after I take in their views. A majority of the legislature will still be required before I take any action. Peter Kurt Baumgartner Minister of Defence |
| Date | 06:07:21, April 08, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | OOC: Waiting to see what happens in the Emirates: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=184913 |
| Date | 23:04:13, April 08, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | What I ment was the folkstamma already approved it way back when perhaps? Thats what I need to check. |
| Date | 05:56:26, April 09, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | OOC: There is'nt any treaty for this, so we're not technically supposed to do anything, and the legislature just barely passed a general show of support for the original organization. |
| Date | 19:30:25, April 09, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | As members of the UNC, you are obliged to at least respond to military calls. Afterwards, as no treaty actually exists, it's up to your legislative assembly to prepare and/or send troops for assistance. Official announcements shall be made soon. |
| Date | 23:25:35, April 09, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Very well, LUP, since this is not a treaty and simply a party organization, the CP shall wait for a member party of the UNC who is obliged to respond to the military call. |
| Date | 00:45:40, April 10, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Treaty is being drafted I think... |
| Date | 15:03:21, April 10, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Indeed. |
| Date | 15:04:28, April 10, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | CP, mind that the UNC is just a small alliance between Sekowo, Lourenne and Kafuristan. We, as our allies, are asking you to prepare in case we need military assistance against Deltaria or the AAT. Nevertheless, it's up to you to decide whether you shall respond or not. |
| Date | 19:03:43, April 10, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | (Please rename this into United Nations Coalition) Fellow members, please, your opinions? _______________ UNC ACCORD: Introduction [Any ideas...?] Friendship & Neutrality (1) ->Each member nation must create a "United Nations Coalition" debate bill, for relative announcements and news. ->All member nations shall hold friendly status towards each other. ->All member nations shall accept and respect the UNC flag and emblem. ->All member nations shall accept and respect the UNC Accord. Internal Affairs (2) ->Citizen IDs of member nations shall be marked with the UNC logo and may be used for legal, direct transportation between member nations. ->All member nations are allowed to establish embassies within UNC nations, freely and legally. ->Neutrality of embassies during internal conflicts. ->The UNC organization does not intervene in internal conflicts within member nations, unless clearly authorized by the Head of State. ->Constitutional protection of ethnic minorities, legislative minorities and all member nations. Foreign Policy (3) ->The UNC is an international organization aiming at protecting the rights and integrity of member nations. ->Any violations immediately enact the Military Protocol. Justice (4) ->Illegitimate violations of the paragraphs shall be condemned and may be penalized by the Security Council. ->During and/or after violations, either party/nation may present legal facts and address the Security Council for justice. ->The Security Council determines penalties. Military Protocols (5) ->Military initiations are handed by the Security Council, which are approved by public voting, and are only to be applied after approval from all nations, according to the Rildanor Accord. ->Member nations, after approval, are required to send at least 1/3 of their national military power. ->The Security Council navigates the united army during crisis. ->After approval, nations are prohibited from requesting their armies back, until termination of the Military Protocol. ->United Nations Military Corps -> During violations of the UNC Foreign Policy, the Security Council immediately requests other member nations to follow the Rildanor Accord and aid the UNMC into assisting the particular nation in need. Security Council (6) ->Each nation has the absolute right to elect a leader in the UNC and therefore authorize him as a representative in the Security Council. ->The Security Council determines penalties and promotes military decisions after public voting. ->Only the Security Council is authorized to make announcements. ->Only members of the Security Council may initiate proposals. ->Proposals require more yes votes than no, in order to pass. ->During a voting procedure, all member parties may initiate an election bill in their nation, at any time. Such bills require more yes votes than no, in order to pass. Membership (7) ->Nations are allowed to accept full membership in the UNC after they have ratified the UNC Accord and promoted the membership of at least 5 parties. ->Full membership gives the right to elect a representative. |
| Date | 21:14:56, April 10, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | I have a few issues I suppose I'll point out. "->All member nations shall accept and respect the UNC flag and emblem." I'd like this bit explained further as the people of Sekowo have the right to burn any flag, be that national or supranational and this would seem to prohibit that. "->The UNC organization does not intervene in internal conflicts within member nations, unless clearly authorized by the Head of State." This section we greatly dislike, we think any member nation should be allowed to intervene to protect the people's freedom, regardless of the idiocentric ideas of sovereignty. Those are my concerns so far. |
| Date | 00:30:05, April 11, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | The more international regulations this imposes, the less likely we are to support it. |
| Date | 01:49:14, April 11, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Is this going to become a Treaty or just remain part of that party organization page? |
| Date | 05:50:23, April 11, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | It is going to become a binding treaty of the organization. Furthermore, DSP, I shall remove the first paragraph you pointed out, however, I'd like to clearly define the second. The UNC, as an organization, would not intervene in an internal conflict, unless authorized by the Head of State. Individual member nations could always ask other member nations to just assist them. Besides, Lourenne, Sekowo and Kafuristan are close allies. I believe requesting for assistance surrounds all those nations, therefore binding the UNC, as an alliance body. Other than that? Would you ratify it? |
| Date | 06:12:56, April 11, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | I feel this proposal under internal affairs: ->Citizen IDs of member nations shall be marked with the UNC logo and may be used for legal, direct transportation between member nations. would violate the sovereignty of the nations. CP believes that a document with the Kafuristan logo will suffice in understanding from which alliance you are from. Only UNC documents and IDs should have the UNC logo on it. e.g. UNC diplomats would have a special ID page. Otherwise, the UNC would have to respect the sovereignty and the value of the emblem of the member nation. OOC: my girlfriend has a (real) UN diplomat paper glued into her passport because her father is a (real) UN Director - it's really cool The CP also does not feel very strongly to the Military Protocol. We feel it is flawed in numerous ways. 1. ->The Security Council navigates the united army during crisis. This just makes little sense. A military leader should be in charge of the united army. Politicians are ill-equipped in their skill set to manage military matters properly. 2. ->After approval, nations are prohibited from requesting their armies back, until termination of the Military Protocol. With no time frame specified or guaranteed, this is a strong enough flaw that would make us oppose adoption of the treaty. Nations should have the right to withdraw their troops when necessary. Under Foreign Policy, we don't like the wording "any violation". Either specify what kind of violations count. We are not going to send the armies across the globe if an issue can be resolved diplomatically. Be more specific. Like treathening of arms against a member nation would be good. ->Any violations immediately enact the Military Protocol. In terms of Membership, if this is going to be a treaty, which requires ratification of the majority, why do you have this rule? Or is this treaty in the form of a party organization? ->Nations are allowed to accept full membership in the UNC after they have ratified the UNC Accord and promoted the membership of at least 5 parties. At the present time, there are only 4 active Sekowan parties who are member of UNC. Does that mean Sekowo would be excluded? Suggestions How about something about a call to remove all ambassadors from a hostile nation or an embargo against hostile nations? It can be one of the steps before military action. |
| Date | 15:13:23, April 11, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | The UNC lists 5 Sekowan parties. I did not determine active or inactive. Now, I appreciate your input and I shall modify the treaty as soon as possible. OOC: I am not a legislator or an official, just a 16 year old teenager...so, don't expect miracles...:) |
| Date | 16:11:06, April 11, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | ~MODIFICATION~ RENAME BILL INTO: Announcements Room (UNC) PROVIDE LINK: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/vieworganization.php Signed, Founder |
| Date | 16:12:01, April 11, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | CORRECTION: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/vieworganization.php?organizationid=1367 |
| Date | 16:27:13, April 11, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | UNC ACCORD: DRAFT 2 Introduction The following articles and relative paragraphs form the UNC Accord, which is a binding treaty between member nations, alternatively considered an official declaration of alliance. Participation in the United Nations Coalition requires nations to ratify and accept the UNC Accord. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/vieworganization.php?organizationid=1367 Friendship & Neutrality (1) ->Each member nation must create a "Announcements Room (UNC)" debate bill, for relative announcements and news. ->All member nations shall hold friendly status towards each other. ->All member nations shall recognize the UNC flag and emblem. ->All member nations shall accept and respect the UNC Accord. Internal Affairs (2) ->Special IDs, marked with the UNC emblem, can be used for legal and direct transportation between member nations. ->All member nations are allowed to establish embassies within UNC nations, freely and legally. ->Neutrality of embassies during internal conflicts. ->The UNC organization does not intervene in internal conflicts within member nations, unless clearly authorized by the Head of State. ->Constitutional protection of ethnic minorities, legislative minorities and all member nations. Foreign Policy (3) ->The UNC is an international organization aiming at protecting the rights and integrity of member nations. ->Any violations, such as military invasions and infringements of ethnic and legislative minorities within member nations, from foreign nations, are officially condemned by the organization. ->The UNC promotes liberty and sovereignty of all nations. Justice (4) ->Illegitimate violations of the paragraphs shall be condemned and may be penalized by the Security Council. ->During and/or after violations, either party/nation may present legal facts and address the Security Council for justice. ->The Security Council determines penalties. Military Protocols (5) ->Military initiations are handed by the Security Council and are approved by public voting, only to be applied after approval from all nations, according to the Rildanor Accord. ->Member nations, after approval, are required to send at least 1/3 of their national military power. ->The Security Council elects the High General, who has full authorization to navigate the UNMC, under the supervision and control of the organization. ->After approval, member nations are prohibited from requesting their armies back for 36 months. ->United Nations Military Corps -> During violations of the UNC Foreign Policy, the Security Council immediately requests other member nations to follow the Rildanor Accord and aid the UNMC into assisting the particular nation in need. Security Council (6) ->All member nations have the absolute right to elect a leader in the UNC and therefore authorize him as a representative in the Security Council, after receiving full membership. ->The Security Council determines penalties and promotes military decisions after public voting. ->Only the Security Council is authorized to make announcements. ->Only members of the Security Council may initiate proposals. ->Proposals require more yes votes than no, in order to pass. ->During a voting procedure, all member parties may initiate an election bill in their nation, at any time. Such bills require more yes votes than no, in order to pass. Membership (7) ->Nations are allowed to accept full membership in the UNC after they have ratified the UNC Accord and promoted the membership of at least 5 parties. Nations with less parties need to promote the membership of all of them. ->Full membership gives the right to elect a representative. |
| Date | 06:53:45, April 12, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Much better draft 2. =) Just out of curiousity, why not make this a treaty instead of a party organization? |
| Date | 15:05:47, April 12, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Well, the UNC Accord shall become a treaty, with the UNC organization simultaneously existing. So, do you agree in ratifying this? |
| Date | 17:08:03, April 12, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Approved? http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=979 |
| Date | 18:13:00, April 12, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Currently FDP is our MoFA, and he is somewhat inactive and unlikely to co-operate even if he was active. |
| Date | 00:36:11, April 13, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Could'nt have said that better myself. Honestly I'm a bit weary of this since I generally dislike the real United Nations that this seems based on. |
| Date | 04:22:15, April 13, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | LUP, there is still the problem of active/inactive parties to make the 5. I think it should be active parties only. Why include inactive parties? They might never come back and the count will "always" be over 5 after 5 member parties go inactive. So, say 5 inactive parties are left, one new party may join and elect a member to the Security Council when in reality, there is only 1 party involved, not representative. OOC: I personally don't like the UN either but I think we can give UNC a try. We can always propose changes or leave the organization if we wish. Especially with those jerks in Beiteynu creating trouble. |
| Date | 04:52:33, April 13, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | OOC: True, just so long as we dont have a permanent security council with veto powers in the long run. Also I just relaized how funny the acronym 'MoFA' sounds. |
| Date | 11:06:12, April 13, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Drastic changes have been made to the organization, where all inactive parties were removed. The particular paragraph is valid for active parties. OOC: That's why the leadership election procedure states that at any time, any party member can initiate an election bill, with them as a candidate. I dislike the UN as well, however, I created the UNC so that it would serve our interests, Lourenne's, Sekowo's and Kafuristan's and likely of another 2 or 3 nations in the future , not the US's or EU's. |
| Date | 03:50:36, April 14, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | OOC: Part of the reason I like to say MoFA instead of spelling it out (and due to playing CN, its one of the few things I do spell correctly....) |
| Date | 03:56:22, April 14, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | The UN was totally created to serve the interests of a body that wasn't to see existence until 1993. |
| Date | 04:29:00, April 14, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | CP has joined UNC. |
| Date | 23:46:24, April 15, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | 1. As before we have a problem with the clause that prevents us from intervening in cases in which a government is denying its people freedom or even committing genocide. 2. Further we're not so keen on this protection of ethnic minorities, while we think all people should be protected from persecution we do not support ensuring different ethnicities continue to exist for the sake of existing. 3. We are opposed to the terms sovereignty or territorial integrity as we do not believe in such, but rather that nations only exist so long as the people will them to. 4. We are opposed to being forced to provide so much of our military to the UNC in non-war times. |
| Date | 01:02:27, April 16, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | We certainly see no need to protect political minorities. Ethnic minorities, however, we could support. We, rarely, agree with DSP wholehearted on point 3. |
| Date | 04:14:39, April 16, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | OOC: hmm ... and this is how international organizations fail: when all sides wants different things. |
| Date | 04:46:35, April 16, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | OOC: Nah, not why they fail, it's why political gridlock exists, both in national legislatures and in supranational organizations. |
| Date | 15:02:57, April 16, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | You know something? Forget this whole idea... |
| Date | 07:58:06, April 21, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Brief Description: The UNC is an alliance body, currently consisted of Lourenne, Sekowo and Kafuristan. More nations are allowed to join the organization, in order to protect integrity of all member nations. The UNC does not oblige nations under any official document, except the above parameter, where all member nations hold friendly status towards each other and promise to assist them if required. The UNC does not involve itself in internal matters unless specifically authorized by the Head of State. __ Agreed? No UNC Accord. |
| Date | 04:58:50, April 22, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | I still don't like the non-intervention part and territorial integrity part. |
| Date | 07:06:14, April 22, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Non intervention without HoS authorization. Territorial integrity part? Doesn't the UNC (Lourenne and Kafuristan) have an obligation to protect you from foreign threats? That's basically it. |
| Date | 07:49:23, April 22, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | I don't like non-intervention period, regardless of if it has authorization or not. |
| Date | 07:35:53, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Non-intervention in what? Internal matters? |
| Date | 15:14:45, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | The UNC is dead; feel free to delete this debate bill. |
| Date | 20:22:49, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | OOC: Nations? With each other? Eww... |
| Date | 21:04:15, May 20, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | OOC: I'm glad it's essentially dead, it was hampering mypotential and progress with the Dovani Union. |
| Date | 23:43:28, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the Announcements Room (UNC) |
| Message | Interesting... |
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