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Bill: Military Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: RSDP - Democratic Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2112
Description[?]:
| An Act to reform the Rutanian Armed Forces. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Current: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Proposed: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:53:10, September 15, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Against all articles. |
| Date | 23:24:08, September 15, 2005 CET | From |  Freedom Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Against second and third. For the first |
| Date | 01:29:05, September 16, 2005 CET | From | Civic Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Against all articles. As we have seen by the Beluzian affair we need to maintain a strong military as well as a stock pile of these types of weapons in order to successfully defend ourselves as well as to deter potential attackers. |
| Date | 19:46:01, September 16, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Surely not biological or chemical weaponry? |
| Date | 23:49:26, September 16, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Not biological (which is already banned) but the tactical use of chemical weaponry may become a necessity in a war with Beluzia, seeing as they not only build chemical weapons but assert the right to first strike, which we do not. |
| Date | 16:22:24, September 17, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | There will not be a war with Beluzia, and even if they have chemical weaponry there is no reason whatsoever to lower ourselves to their level and produce chemical weaponry to be used in combat situations as well. |
| Date | 16:23:04, September 17, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | BTW, FP, very libertarian of you to force people to defend our nation. :rolleyes: |
| Date | 19:44:34, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Piss off. To have freedom you must be able to defend freedom. I only support conscription in times of war where we need to defend Rutania from invasion. Then, everyone has the duty to defend their nation and their freedoms from foreign tyranny Just because im not a pacifist (insert swear word) |
| Date | 19:45:04, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | You also should have split off the first article as i would vote for that, but never mind. I vote against |
| Date | 20:53:40, September 17, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | You prove my point, you force people to defend values they might not even believe in. |
| Date | 20:54:26, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | People dont believe in "being alive" and "having their own country"? Too bad for them, mate. |
| Date | 21:16:46, September 17, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | People might not believe in capitalism... |
| Date | 22:46:25, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Civic Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | "People might not believe in capitalism..." Is capitalism all that Rutania stands for? I think not. I hope that people would be able to see past a countries economic system when fighting for it. I believe this shows the RSDP's believe that Rutania is nothing more than a country at the whims of a few capitalist overlords. It shows thsi party's inability to look past certain issues and believe in patriotism and defence of the home country. |
| Date | 22:53:46, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | "People might not believe in capitalism..." So you're saying that because people may not agree with the policies of the current government (democratically elected mind you - wait a minute! I just realised that what you said makes no logical sense!) they cant defend the country as a whole from being the subject of imperialism or their countrymen being killed? Your argument is just silly. |
| Date | 10:30:20, September 18, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | I do believe in the defence of the homeland, but not in forcing people to fight for a land they might not believe in. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 117 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 445 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 37 |
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