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Bill: Fags Out Bill 2559
Details
Submitted by[?]: Alliance 44
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2560
Description[?]:
| Noone likes those fags, don't you think? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on sexual relations.
Old value:: Sexual relations of all types are legal for consenting adults.
Current: Heterosexual relationships only are legal for consenting adults.
Proposed: Heterosexual relationships only are legal for consenting adults.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:46:57, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Oh, come on! It's not about bigotry, or being a Nazi or something. We're in the 26th century, we can surely cure those sick people by genetic manipulation. It's simply being progressive. Turning evolutionary waste into normal units of reproduction of a healthy human race. Think about it a bit. We are a lonely species on Terra, planning to spread in the galaxy, we cannot lose valuable genes of our genetic pool, that would mean narrowing our evolutionary path. If we can cure homosexuality, what are the arguments for not curing it? Besides, the Bible says sodomy is a sin. |
| Date | 19:47:46, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Endralon Graenix Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | I hate people like you. And if you are gonna try this bigoted bullshit, I really advise you to quit while you're ahead. Because if it goes any further I'm going off. |
| Date | 19:50:21, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | (OCC: uhh, don't get that mad at me, I'm just making a parody of the homophobiacs' bullshit, i have nothing against gay people personally) |
| Date | 19:57:58, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | "normal units of reproduction of a healthy human race"
Sounds quite like Nazism to me. Surely "genetic manipulation" is also against that work of fiction you apparently hold so dear. The bible does not equal the law, certainly not one that everyone must live by. This isn't star wars, we're no closer to conquering another planet than we we're in the 21st century. We are overpopulated as it is, if anything, we should be encouraging the gay community, acting as a natural form of population control. Progressive? It is bigotry like this that is holding society back socially and economically. |
| Date | 20:10:48, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Now this is bigotry, calling eugenics 'Nazi' just because the idea was first rised about them. You're like the priests refusing to look into Gallilei's telescope. Eugenics (especially combined with genetic manipulation) can be the answer for a lot of social, biological and economic problems of our Terran race. Just think about the possibility of a genetically engineered society, with fix behavioural patterns! |
| Date | 20:20:50, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Endralon Graenix Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Ok A44, but just like the message I sent you, what I said still stands. If you want to "play" the ignorant role, every single time you do I'm going to "play" like I hate you. |
| Date | 20:21:45, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Now this is bigotry, calling eugenics 'Nazi' just because the idea was first rised about them. You're like the priests refusing to look into Gallilei's telescope. Eugenics (especially combined with genetic manipulation) can be the answer for a lot of social, biological and economic problems of our Terran race. Just think about the possibility of a genetically engineered society, with fix behavioural patterns! |
| Date | 20:27:01, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | EAG: (OOC) all right with me, I keep talking nonsense, decided to play a psychotic moral dictatorship / technocratic free market liberal style.
(OOC&OFF): breaking news back home: the right wing extremists are clashing the antifascists and the police right now about half a mile from my home |
| Date | 20:28:04, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Well if it walks and talks like Nazism, what do you expect? This is nothing like "the priests refusing to look into Gallilei's telescope", that involved the blind, ignorance of the church, much like your argument here. You're avoiding the point I raised. You said "Besides, the Bible says sodomy is a sin" in an attempt to justify your belief, eugenics is also condemned by the bible, so respecting the bible in the way that you apparently do, how can you justify that? I'm failing to see exactly how homosexuality, love between members of the same sex, is posing any biological, social or economic problems for Endralon? I'm expecting a ban on same-sex marriage to follow this bill. Just know that The Chidan Party fought to have the bill proposing same-sex marriages implemented, and we will fight to ensure it remains untouched by the hate of extreme right politics. We will fight your attempts to demonize the homosexual community. |
| Date | 20:32:05, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | (OOC): That's a relief, I'd hate to have to deal with such ignorance. |
| Date | 20:43:01, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Well, referring to the Bible was meant only to assure you about the Lord's approval on the point. It's absolutely not a moral question, gay people are simply genetically abnormal, but that's not their fault, and we can cure them by genetic manipulation, and through eugenetics our whole Terran race can be made free of that abnormality. It's a health care question, not a moral one. We have the technology for that, so why say no to progress because of old fashioned moral dogmas? Don't get me wrong, we are standing firm for democratic values, we believe it's the whole Terran race's right to choose what paths we would like to follow in race-wide genetic engineering.
And noone wants to demonize homosexuality, gay people are useful parts of our society, it's only their own interest to cure them from their ugly disease. |
| Date | 20:53:56, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | (OOC: I can assure you that I am actually a well-educated, lazy liberal pothead, big city folk, rich bitch. just don't take my insane role playing serious, it's merely speculation about the way other people think) |
| Date | 21:07:47, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | When something doesn't fit the norm, that doesn't make it unequal, nor does it mean the majority is superior. As a society we should embrace individuality. You are still failing to prove how exactly your proposal is "progressive". Gay people are not a burden on society, quite the opposite. They get educated, they work, they pay taxes, they contribute to society, none of this is affected by their sexual orientation. Their sex life is in no way more harmful to society than the sex life of heterosexual couples. What happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom, it has nothing to do with society as a whole.
I have yet to hear of a homosexual individual who is genuinely unhappy with who they are, or who would choose to be someone else and if we're being honest here, why would they? It is societal ideology that puts pressure on individuals to conform to a certain image, it is societal ideology that alienates people and causes some gay people to reject who they are, it is this ideology ,shaped by proposals such as this, that can make homosexuals unhappy with who they are, not homosexuality itself. |
| Date | 21:26:15, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Actually you are suggesting that a genetic abnormality, that makes the individual an evolutionary dead-end, is not abnormal to the society as a whole. We think it's "biological extremism", a basically regressive idea simply contradicting the natural goal of species to survive and spread. A moral dogma we shall get over in order to build a biologically successful future for our race. Even the Bible says "be fruitful and multiply"! Eugenics combined with genetic manipulation can be a scientifically planned method of social engineering, if we ever can get over those outdated moral considerations. Just think about the possibility of a uniformed consumer behaviour, what a vaste amount of raw materials, production costs and human labour could be spared? Or criminal behaviour filtered out pre-birth? A universe of possibilites to make our society happier and to make our business life more predictable! |
| Date | 21:48:18, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Man-kind has evolved beyond the stage where constant reproduction is necessary for the survival of the species. We don't run the risk of dying out, we don't face extinction. In fact, reproduction and overpopulation may ultimately lead to our destruction, contradicting what you yourself have claimed, the "natural goal of species to survive". We have reached a stage in evolution, where population control may actually be key to our survival, not reproduction. this taken into consideration, your argument against the homosexual community, is weak, and has no place in contemporary society.
I don't believe people would be happy living such a dull, banal existence. |
| Date | 22:10:53, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Endralon Confederates Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | Members of the Endralon Confederates Party greatly vary on their views of the morality of homosexual behavior; while some believe it is an unnatural and moral sin, others believe the opposite.
However, all members of the ECP can agree that the government has no place in regulating sexual relationships between consenting adult individuals.
The ECP opposes this bill. |
| Date | 22:52:15, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | The genetic diversity of a species is key for survival. If we don't cure individuals genetically infected with faggotry, our species will suffer further losses to the diversity of it's gene pool. An alternative can be a mandatory DNA deposit to a national gene bank, thus 'saving' the populations entire gene pool for genetic manipulation purposes, another option we would support. The project could be combined with a mandatory implant of a GPS chip, enhancing our public security system. |
| Date | 22:58:17, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | "The genetic diversity of a species is key for survival"
So, you have gone from expressing your wishes for a uniform society, to praising the genetic diversity of the human race. If the sheer nonsense of your argument didn't undermine your credibility, then this hypocrisy surely will. |
| Date | 23:12:46, April 11, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance 44 | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | I'm not talking about a uniform society, I'm talking about a genetically engineered society. We need the widest gene pool possible to create the optional series for different tasks.
Imagine. Different types of breeds for different purposes. Intellectuals, with programmed consumption trends, for administrative duties and breeding programmes. A low consumption, physically well-built, slightly dumber working class. Occassional geniuses for different tasks. All designed peaceful, cooperative and obedient. Predictable business trends, genetically determined motivations, optimalized behaviour patterns. Endralon would be the envy of the world! |
| Date | 11:00:55, April 12, 2008 CET |
From | New Liberal Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Fags Out Bill 2559 | | Message | We agree that homosexuality is mostly an immoral behaviour, but it is no place for the government to regulate things MERELY because its members see it as immoral |
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