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Bill: GJA Welfare - 5.21.2561.AD
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Socialist Agenda
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2562
Description[?]:
| "If I were to go up to my neighbor's house every month and demand 10 percent of his or her income, threatening a choice between being locked in a dark gray room full of criminals or being shot as consequences for refusing to pay, I would be a thief, a robber, a looter, a parasite, a barbarian. It would be theft, plain and simple. What is this action called when performed by the government? Taxation. Being theft, taxation is already wrong. But what makes it even worse, is that the stolen money is redistributed to drunks, druggies, and otherwise incompetent people for nothing. Not only does this make the government a parasitic criminal organization, but this turns the underclass into government cronies and parasites. An entire class of parasites. This is not only wrong in its very principle, but the results aren't that great either. Those who aren't genuinely poor beyond their control, and this includes most of the poor, are incompetents and do not deserve to live like parasites off of society so that they can fuel their bad habits and poor choice of lifestyle. If someone competent wants to throw fuel on a fire, they can give them money of their own free will. There are very few people that are actually poor due to situations beyond their control. However, charity is FAR more effective than welfare is and ever was, and ever will be. Also, in a true free market, there would be no monopolies, unfair business practices, and insane regulation to hold these people down from success, regardless of disability (even people with mental disabilities can get jobs of raw labor). So why is this organization we are a part of not only STEALING from its people, but creating a parasitic, incompetent, irresponsible underclass at the same time? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Current: Child benefit policies are left to local governments.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Current: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Proposed: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government policy regarding housing.
Old value:: The state provides public housing to low-income families.
Current: The state provides public housing to low-income families.
Proposed: All housing is privately-owned.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:17:55, April 15, 2008 CET | From | Jewish Mothers' Union | To | Debating the GJA Welfare - 5.21.2561.AD |
| Message | We find the attitude of the GJA a startling example of the evils of unbridled, selfish secularism. There is no greater responsibility for society and its leaders than alleviating the suffering of the poor. Melanie Koffenbaum (Leader of the JMU) |
| Date | 20:57:27, April 15, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Agenda | To | Debating the GJA Welfare - 5.21.2561.AD |
| Message | ""There is no greater responsibility for society and its leaders than alleviating the suffering of the poor." Says who? You? Who are you? When people like you embrace the big-government role, you must make the concession that we want the big-government for a reason: we can't take responsibility for ourselves, thus don't own ourselves. So the government is free to tax us (synonymous with stealing from us). And free to use our stolen money and redistribute it as it likes, rather than allowing people to voluntarily give to charity, which is thousands of times more effective than welfare. Of course this is morally and intellectually backwards, yet people like you are in favor. Yet, if people can't take responsibility for themselves, then what makes you think that a government composed of men, who also can't take responsibility of themselves, are able to take responsibility for others properly? What is it with your sick, twisted, perverted, evil, and demented idea that the only appropriate situation of humankind's existence is in a permanent state of slavery to an inherently unjust institution? What kind of sickos honestly think that men must only be slaves? What crazy, satanic logic does the "Jewish" Mothers' Union (I question your very dedication to the Jewish people) allows them to think that freedom is evil and all people must be held down in a permanent state of rape by the state? And what about the drunks, the drug addicts, the lazy, the incompetent, and the unwilling? Why should the government alleviate the "suffering" of people that don't even deserve life? Welfare is blind to the circumstances of being poor. Those who are genuinely disadvantaged get welfare, but so do the worthless aforementioned trash. Charity does not do this; charity exams each case and gives money only to those who really need and deserve it. And it is your twisted, hellish logic that makes a government so big that it strangles the market of the Jewish people, creates monopolies (which cannot exist in a real free market), and makes entrepreneurship nearly impossible, which leads many of these brave, determined people to fail, and end up in this very poverty that you describe. Taxes are theft. Politicians are parasites. Welfare recipients are parasites. The government is an organized criminal gang. Everything about this is just plain wrong." -Raamiah Galgenstrick, Chairman of the GJA Foreign Minister of the SJHB |
| Date | 14:23:49, April 16, 2008 CET | From | Jewish Mothers' Union | To | Debating the GJA Welfare - 5.21.2561.AD |
| Message | "What crazy, satanic logic does the "Jewish" Mothers' Union (I question your very dedication to the Jewish people) allows them to think that freedom is evil and all people must be held down in a permanent state of rape by the state?" A large number of JMU members have written to me objecting in the strongest terms to the above remark of the GJA. The JMU is and has always been 100% devoted to the Jewish people, and as an organisation we resent these kinds of aspersions. If the GJA wish to limit the damage to cross-party relations caused by their behaviour, I suggest they withdraw their remark. Melanie Koffenbaum (Leader of the JMU) |
| Date | 17:11:07, April 16, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Agenda | To | Debating the GJA Welfare - 5.21.2561.AD |
| Message | "We apologize if you have mistaken our statement as a personal attack against your party. What we are insulting is not your party, but your stance on big government. We in the GJA and GXH-5328, as one of our most base ideologies, holds statism, big government, and the initiation of aggressive force to be the roots of all evil. Government is the embodiment of all human evil and all human ills, yet your party wishes to expand it - this is none other than the expansion of pure evil, which is something monstrous and insane." -Raamiah Galgenstrick, Chairman of the GJA Foreign Minister of the SJHB |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 180 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 177 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 43 |
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