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Bill: Parliament Reform (RRP)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rightful Radical Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2562
Description[?]:
| Less seats in parliament = greater efficiency |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 501
Current: 450
Proposed: 75
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:04:50, April 15, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Parliament Reform (RRP) |
| Message | Lesser seats = less democracy lesser seats = no representation of the people lesser seats = faulty representation e.g. COM gains 14% of the vote, and gets 7 seats, RRP gains 15% of the vote, and gains 17 seats. it could happen. --------------------------------------------------------- more seats = more democracy more seats = more representation |
| Date | 20:23:40, April 15, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Parliament Reform (RRP) |
| Message | Do you know how long it takes for a parliament of 400 members to get through a dispute? I'll tell you, 30 hours. If we have more seats, every Jack and Joe from the playground can enter the Parliament. That representation principle can be fixed by making a constitutional amendment which we can do if this bill is passed, and it also tells us the well-known fact that the LSD favor COM over RRP. That first bit 'Lesser seats = less democracy' is equal to 'As John eats more - he gets more thin'. It is just a fraud computation. We should know what democracy is, because in the first days of the RRP we fought against the extreme right Republicans and CAM (now COM) and the extreme left TNCP. The second bit is dissmised with the fact that only the people that all Telamonians want can enter the Parliament. Small ideas, small minds. Tomislav Crnobrnja Vice-president of the RRP |
| Date | 20:46:28, April 15, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Parliament Reform (RRP) |
| Message | "If we have more seats, every Jack and Joe from the playground can enter the Parliament." We are the Jack and Joe, and the Jills. The political parties do not rule the people, Mr. Crnobrnja. The people formulate the government. Every Jack, Joe, and Jill should participate in the government. We view the RRP's statement as elitist posturing. Everyone should have the ability to run for office, and everyone should have at least some kind of chance to get in the Parliament, if the votes are behind them. Who are we to decide who can be in the government, and who can't be. It is quick road to fascism. We believe that more seats gains more representation from the people, because the percentages are more real. Let's look for empiricle evidence to support my claims. In August of 2444, there was an election, in this nation, held with only 75 seats up for grabs. The Centre Party, took 21.78% of the votes, and gained 22.67% of the seats. The Nova Prospekt Party gained 20.99% of the votes, and also gained 22.67% of the seats. A total of 18,446,134 people voted for the Centre Party, while 17,777,211 people voted for the Nova Prospekt Party. 668,923 more people voted for the Centre Party, but the two parties ended up with the same amount of seats; 17. A total of 668,923 people were not represented in 2444, and by making our seat numbers larger, we can reduce this number. We can never perfectly represent the people, but we can come damn close. Matt Hogan - Chairman of the Libertarian Socialist Demonstration |
| Date | 20:48:56, April 15, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Parliament Reform (RRP) |
| Message | Also, the people who voted for different parties in the 2444 election were misrepresented, because, if you notice, both the Centre Party and the Nova Prospekt Party gained more seats than they should have. By having more seats, we cut down the difference between seat percentage and vote percentage. |
| Date | 21:35:56, April 15, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Parliament Reform (RRP) |
| Message | Hmm, a lot of text, worthless at best. That problem can be fixed by a constitutional amendment. Lets imagine any Jack and Joe giving you a replica in the Parliament Mr Hogan? He would say: 'Sorry to interrupt you Mr Hogan, but what time do the pubs close 'round here?' Vojislav Krkljus Chairman of the RRP |
| Date | 23:49:11, April 15, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Capitalist Delegation | To | Debating the Parliament Reform (RRP) |
| Message | This is madness. We cannot keep changing the amount of seats in parliament. If we are to find an optimal number, we most certainly do not believe that 75 would be it. James Lott Chairman Democratic Capitalist Delegation |
| Date | 23:59:39, April 15, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Parliament Reform (RRP) |
| Message | We call for any evidence on how 75 seats represents the people more than 501 seats. Our government is a representative democracy by nature. Representing the people is what we do, as politicians. The RRP has simply avoided our evidence and our statements by saying they are "worthless." We would also like to inquire as to what constitutional amendment would fix the representation problem? Matt Hogan - Chairman of the LSD |
| Date | 19:26:05, April 16, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Parliament Reform (RRP) |
| Message | If this bill passes, I assure you, we would make a constitutional amendment (I do not remember which law it is but it can CERTAINLY be done) to fix the percentage problem. You see, if there is less seats there is less chance that a party that is supported by a small amount of voters can have some seats in the parliament and be the part that can tore down a vital piece of legislation. But, if we want to focus on the quality of seats, lets put the parliament to 250 seats. It is the only reasonable higher number and loads of states operate with that system. Vojislav Krkljus Head of RRP |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 130 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 371 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Players who deliberately attempt to present a misleading picture of the nation's current RP laws will be subject to sanction. |
| Random quote: "Casting a vote shouldn't make you sick." - Ronnie Dugger |