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Bill: Schools
Details
Submitted by[?]: Am Echad, Pays Libre
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2564
Description[?]:
Due to Beiteynu's diverse population, schools are divided into four groups: state schools, state religious schools, minority schools, and private schools. State schools will be attended by the majority of pupils State religious schools are aimed towards Orthodox Jewish and Christian children with emphasis on Biblical studies, tradition and observance. Minority schools have teaching in Arabic and other Minor used languages and focus on the History of the Minority, religion and culture, whilst the private school sector operates under various different organisations, and as such focus on different aspects of education. All schools will fallow the guidelines listed in Education Standards |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: Education is private, but the government subsidises the cost of it for everyone
Current: There is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.
Proposed: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 23:28:49, April 18, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Agenda | To | Debating the Schools |
Message | "There are no public schools, if you haven't noticed the laws that have been in place for the past couple of decades. And again, we will not vote in favor of regulation. However, one thing that might disappoint you, should any of your regulation bills pass, all it will do is prevent students of schools not following the official regulations from getting the official state-recognized diplomas. If our schools (and there are MANY) actively defy your standards, and then end up with better results, our diplomas, meaningless under the law they may be, are going to be worth a LOT to other educational institutions and to employers - they will become accredited DE FACTO. State education certificates would then be regarded by most as second-rate crap, and, to get more students and make more money, most schools would intentionally disobey the government regulations and standards, and your entire bill would have gone to no purpose at all." -Raamiah Galgenstrick, Chairman of the GJA Foreign Minister of the SJHB |
Date | 01:32:26, April 19, 2008 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Schools |
Message | If the GJA votes yes we will work with them to make the Public schools as excellent as the GXH's and the CAJUFIR Schools |
Date | 16:11:51, April 19, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Agenda | To | Debating the Schools |
Message | "We still wish to keep the schools private. 1) We wish to foster competition. If the public schools are free and standardized, and the private ones cost money and aren't, then the bulk of the Homeland will be going to standardized schools. We don't want a standard, and we want the schools to compete, so that everything moves forward. 2) We don't like regulation in the economy or social spending. You already know that until L'olam is established, the GJA is composed mostly of anarcho-capitalists. After it is established, it will be mostly minarchists and left-libertarians. 3) If we were to have public schools, we would only have secular, religiously neutral public schools with private schools as the religious alternative. I doubt you will agree to that, so us voting for public schools might not work out so well. 4) Our private system is working great, so why would we go back to a public school system that, from our nation's experience, has always been inferior to the private schools, hoping that we could make it as good as the private schools? 5) Even if the public schools could be made to work out very well, our successors might screw it up in the future. 6) We have strong reason to believe that the main problem with the failing public education systems in all countries with poor public education (which included us until we abolished it) is that there is too much regulation and control, and not enough autonomy in the schools and classrooms. When you create broad, sweeping, cold regulation, you take the human element out of the educational system, and expect every rule to apply in all circumstances, which isn't true. The teachers are right there, dealing directly with the students first-hand, and know the needs of the students and the situations much better than politicians sitting in smoke-filled, dimly-lit offices deciding educational regulations based upon educational philosophy and theory. It works much better when the free market gives a general idea to the schools what students need to know after graduation, and the schools decide what to tell each teacher exactly what they need to focus on, based upon the de facto standards given by the free market. 7) Both the current private schools and the proposed public schools are free. So why would you want public schools that you aren't so sure would be as good? Why does the government need to get involved? However, while we are not prepared to establish a public education system, the GXH-5328 however, is willing to work with the CAJUFIR to establish a non-profit educational review organization, where we will establish educational recommendations as well as widely publish reviews of all the school systems available. What would you think of this?" -Raamiah Galgenstrick, Chairman of the GJA Foreign Minister of the SJHB |
Date | 16:42:06, April 19, 2008 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Schools |
Message | If you feel it unconformable then we shall make the Public School's secular but with no restrictions on religious clothing and other religious speech. But to satisfy religious people we will have public religious schools. My office will form a committee on Schools the GXH is welcome to join. |
Date | 16:51:04, April 19, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Agenda | To | Debating the Schools |
Message | "Alright, well we still cannot vote in favor of public schools - religious public schools were not the main concern there. However, we would be glad to join this committee. What is it called?" -Raamiah Galgenstrick, Chairman of the GJA Foreign Minister of the SJHB |
Date | 16:56:19, April 19, 2008 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Schools |
Message | What will make you able to vote yes. This committee will only be formed if this passes and if you vote yes. |
Date | 17:14:41, April 19, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Agenda | To | Debating the Schools |
Message | "Nothing could make us vote yes at this moment. Perhaps after L'olam is established, our party ideologies will have shifted enough that we could vote in favor, but as of now, we cannot support a public system." -Raamiah Galgenstrick, Chairman of the GJA Foreign Minister of the SJHB |
Date | 18:13:27, April 19, 2008 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Schools |
Message | Fine |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||
yes | Total Seats: 49 | |||
no | Total Seats: 223 | |||
abstain |
Total Seats: 128 |
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