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Bill: Civilian-based defence
Details
Submitted by[?]: Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2113
Description[?]:
| The defence of Lodamun is the responsibiltyi of Lodamun's people. The best deterrent is a population that is committed to the defence of its homeland. This bill substitutes for the nuclear arsenal, a citizenry able to defend their own homes. All citizens will be given military training in guerrilla warfare or social defence (abolishing military forces and relying in their stead on nonviolent struggles by the general population), according to their choice. It will be impossible for any foreign power to occupy Lodamun, as they will know that controlling the population and the territory is impossible. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: Defence industries are banned.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Current: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Proposed: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:25:36, September 18, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Civilian-based defence |
| Message | Wow TiC believes that our votes in the past will sufficiently indicate our position now. |
| Date | 09:43:10, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Civilian-based defence |
| Message | I will be happy to support this upon the removal of Article 2. |
| Date | 17:45:57, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Civilian-based defence |
| Message | With the removal of article 2, it simply becomes a nuclear disarmament bill, which is certain to fail. This is an attempt to to offer an alternative non-nuclear defence strategy, but it's not one that is possible without training in social defence being offered to all people. The training is, please note, military OR civilian and directed towards non-violent means of resistance. But civilian-based defence is impossible if no training is given to civilains in how to conduct it. |
| Date | 20:15:47, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Civilian-based defence |
| Message | "With the removal of article 2, it simply becomes a nuclear disarmament bill, which is certain to fail." This is certain to fail as well. "This is an attempt to to offer an alternative non-nuclear defence strategy, but it's not one that is possible without training in social defence being offered to all people." Don't you mean ordered to all people? "The training is, please note, military OR civilian and directed towards non-violent means of resistance." I'll just counter that with this: "All citizens will be given military training in guerrilla warfare and social defence" Please change the wording to "guerrilla warfare or social defence based on their decision" and I'll consider it. |
| Date | 23:26:51, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Civilian-based defence |
| Message | Happy to! |
| Date | 20:41:51, September 19, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Civilian-based defence |
| Message | No |
| Date | 17:22:48, September 20, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Civilian-based defence |
| Message | Can you include the de-arming of the regular police officers as a fourth proposal? |
| Date | 18:23:13, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Civilian-based defence |
| Message | Too late to add it, but that would be in keeping with the bill, yes. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 85 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 185 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 30 |
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