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Bill: Abortion Flexibility Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2570
Description[?]:
| Continuing the progressive efforts of President Natalya Petrovskaya-Guillaume, I believe that women should be given the greatest length of choice while still within responsible boundaries. I urge the liberals and individualists to back this bill. Umberto Caccini Leader of the Radical Party |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:13:51, May 02, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Ordo Malleus (COM) | To | Debating the Abortion Flexibility Reform |
| Message | And so continues the slippery slope of State condoned murder that we predicted when the leftist parties voted to legalize Murder. -Roger Evars, COM Deputy Chairman |
| Date | 19:23:22, May 02, 2008 CET | From | Radical Party | To | Debating the Abortion Flexibility Reform |
| Message | I must say, Mr. Evars, if the people of Telamon were dissatisfied with the reforms, do you think that the Liberal parties would have won (between the TACP, RP and DCD) the most amount of seats in Parliament, while your party drops to 5th place? I would say that ideology and sentiment are secondary to the wishes of the people, and we clearly have the mandate in this instance. Umberto Caccini Leader of the Radical Party |
| Date | 07:03:32, May 03, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Ordo Malleus (COM) | To | Debating the Abortion Flexibility Reform |
| Message | That is what we, in politics, call a non-denial denial. The RP does not deny they condone murder and that the State should condone murder. Nor does the RP deny that it is a slippery slope that the leftist parties are leading Telamon down. Just because people want something does not mean that is the best thing for them. Representatives are elected to make decisions for people, not just follow in the demand of mob mentality. I ask this as our party has asked it before. Where do the murders end? When do they reach the members of Parliament who are condoning these murders? What happens when the murders reach those members? Will you cry foul then or simply say "[it is] the wishes of the people"? -Roger Evars, COM Deputy Chairman |
| Date | 18:37:29, May 03, 2008 CET | From | Radical Party | To | Debating the Abortion Flexibility Reform |
| Message | In my understanding of democracy, Mr. Evars, is that politicians are there to represent the people's views, not make decisions for them based on their own personal views. We are a representative democracy, and politicians should be the vanguards of the people's wishes. The purpose of a representative is to represent, not to instruct, as you propose. Such mentality reminds me of authoritarianism, and not democracy. Sometimes I do struggle to understand the logic behind conservative politics. Umberto Caccini Leader of the Radical Party |
| Date | 19:14:48, May 03, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Ordo Malleus (COM) | To | Debating the Abortion Flexibility Reform |
| Message | Yet again a non-denial denial is issued. The RP continues to avoid the issue of the leftist desire to condone murder and State condoned murder. This is a slippery slope that the leftist parties have led Telamon down. Where will it end? We have asked this before and received no answer. We ask it again and still receive no answer. Murder is murder is murder is murder. It does not matter whether 51% or 99% of the people think otherwise. Just because 6 out of 10 people tell you there's a tiger under your bed doesn't mean that is correct. Never wavering from what the people "want" will continue to get a party re-elected. It will not, however, always do what is best for the nation. Sometimes the people are wrong and it is the duty of their representatives to act in their best interest. It is our duty to always act in their best interest and especially so when the people are wrong. We must have the courage to stand up and tell the people "No" even if it hurts a party come election time. COM has always had the integrity to place Telamon's best interest first. We follow the creed that what is popular may not always be right and what is right may not always be popular. This creed has been a guiding light we use to help Telamon prosper and better itself. I daresay those parties who condone, and want State condoned, Murder need to take a page from our book on this matter. -Roger Evars, COM Deputy Chairman |
| Date | 20:48:32, May 03, 2008 CET | From | Radical Party | To | Debating the Abortion Flexibility Reform |
| Message | Let us hope this fine rhetoric comes to some avail in the next elections, Mr. Evars. Umberto Caccini Leader of the Radical Party |
| Date | 05:15:56, May 04, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Ordo Malleus (COM) | To | Debating the Abortion Flexibility Reform |
| Message | Is the non-denial denial the only party line known by the RP? Its no wonder our friends in the RRP kicked the RP out of the president's office. -Roger Evars COM Deputy Chairman |
| Date | 18:06:02, May 04, 2008 CET | From | Radical Party | To | Debating the Abortion Flexibility Reform |
| Message | Perhaps you should read up your history next time, Mr. Evars, as the Radical Party did not contest the last election. Umberto Caccini Leader of the Radical Party |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 261 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 199 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 41 |
| Random fact: Particracy is set in the fictional world of Terra, which mirrors the real world of today and yet is not quite like it. |
| Random quote: "The Religious Right dislikes both abortions and homosexuality. But who has fewer abortions than gays?" - George Carlin |