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Bill: Tax Corrections Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Meritocratic Alliance
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2572
Description[?]:
To help our government operate and avoid bankruptcy. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Tax percentage of the profit made by corporations.
Old value:: 1
Current: 0
Proposed: 2
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on essential goods such as food and non-luxury clothing.
Old value:: 2
Current: 0
Proposed: 1
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on luxury goods.
Old value:: 2
Current: 0
Proposed: 8
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 16:37:58, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | This bill will have the support of the CSPS as a measure to right the economic wrongs of Finance Minister Mallard and his failed policies. Mary Danielson, CSPS Speaker |
Date | 16:38:37, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Thank you but we are still in the editing phase. A mistake was made. please check the revised bill in 5 minutes. |
Date | 16:39:47, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | OOC: Basically I'll support almost anything, but I'll look back. |
Date | 16:41:13, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | This bill, it is hoped will resolve our current budgetary crisis. Luxury items now have an adequate tax. The corporate gains tax is doubled but it still extremely low, which will not harm business, and the essential goods tax is in fact lowered, which will help the regular citizens who are struggling to keep bread on the table. Harvey Girk, SRNP Speaker |
Date | 16:43:33, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | I commend Senator Girk on a well thought out, well constructed financial plan that will contribute to the continued growth of Solentia's reputation as an economic powerhouse on Terra. Mary Danielson, CSPS Speaker |
Date | 17:57:42, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | I see it is very easy for the CSPS and thr SRNP to alter their public mandate as they see fit. Low taxes, high taxes, what is it that these parties want? Because for members of the public it must be very confusing. At least the CMP and PP will be sticking to their mandate and keeping to a clear-cut financial policy. One that would have saved Solentia should the other parties not have flip-flopped once again. Dorothea Roberts - CMP Chairman of the Executive Agenda. |
Date | 18:36:18, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=189950 Here is the evidence, both the CSPS and Radnats BOTH supported tax cuts just one year ago now they want massive increases! This has to be one of the biggest political u-turns Solentia has ever witnessed. Are you actually saying that people want to pay more taxes, are you actually saying that this is the best solution to our problems? You two parties have no clear cut vision for the economy and it is no wonder that there is such instability with two totally opposite bills being supported by yourselves. Next thing we know you will want a private health service, then next week a public one, the week after you will want to ban abortion, the week after you will say you want abortion to be provided curtsy of the tax payer. This is u-turn after u-turn dithering after more dithering, do the other parties other than myself and the CMP not see how pathetically weak this looks? This isn't leadership, it is party politics and frankly their political advisor's must have been on magic mushrooms when they suggested they do this- this bill is ludicrous given both their parties previous positions and if they are serious about helping Solentia in times of economic turmoil and a potential time of deficit, they will vote against this bill and change their minds before it is too late, restoring what little faith we have left in them. Matthew Cuttingdale, Shadow Finance Minister |
Date | 18:45:59, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Also, Radnats- how on earth is the 8.4% unemployed in Fuwan supposed to pay 8% tax on luxury good when they can barely afford things now? Do you really think the best time to get through rising unemployment a budget deficit is to tax people even more so that they cannot afford to buy anything at all? This seems to me a one way road to poverty! Matthew Cuttingdale, Shadow Finance Minister |
Date | 19:41:16, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Rather than recommend Senator Cuttingdale put on his helmet so he doesn't hurt himself while attempting to walk to the schooling he and his fellow party members so desperately need, let me only say that the unemployed need purchase few luxury goods. Sen. Girk. |
Date | 19:49:08, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Sen. Girk If anyone needs schooling it isn't me- because the people party knows that taxing the poor is an hurrendous idea, raising taxes when many services are privtae is barbaric and stupid and taxing the unemployed is a one way route to poverty- if he thinks we are stupid for raising these concerns I think he better understand that the word stupid, ignorant, rude and nasty not to mention racist where specifically invented for his lot! |
Date | 19:52:18, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Oh I see, so the Radicals are now condoning the taxation of million to ludicrous amounts by saying that people on low incomes and the unemployed do not need luxery items? What is your deffinition of a Luxery item exactly? Because I'd say that every Solentian has equal rights. Now, stop trying to change the issue here, you are being held accountable for your own switching of policy and total inability to stick to a decision, this is not about who can afford what. Dorothea Roberts - CMP Chairman of the Executive Agenda. |
Date | 20:02:04, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | I have now written to the Radnats and attempted to ask them to change their minds on budget and tax bills for the good of the people by giving them one last chance. Matthew Cuttingdale, Shadow Finance |
Date | 20:03:55, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Anything non-essential is a Luxury. The bill clearly states so. If you can afford a luxury, you can afford the tax. It's simple. While I realize this may cramp the lifestyle of certain self-titled gentry of the People Party (People Persons?) and the Tories of the CMP when they need to get their latest twin-turbo roadster, they can rest assured the money is going towards much needed government services. Sen. Girk. |
Date | 20:07:59, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Why should people not be allowed to busy non-essential items? You cannot dictate to people what they can and cannot buy- how dare you do that! How dare you even contemplate doing this! I am angry on behalf of this state who has never yet seen communist tendencies and we're not about to start now let me tell you|!! When most government services such as Health, efucation, transport and welfare are private or partially private what is this government money going on? It should be on tax cuts, instead you're planning to take this away. Won't you Radnats listen to the CMP who head the Finance Ministry when they say they want tax cuts as Solentia doesn't need more money, but infact less! Matthew Cuttingdale |
Date | 20:10:35, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | I would also like to tell the house that my communication to the SNRP to erase their mistakes fell on deaf ears, they won't listen and infact told me no further communication would be accepted from me to them. This just shows what kind of a party they are- they fail to listen to the concerns of the people, they fail to listen to what we tell them. Matthew Cuttingdale |
Date | 20:37:12, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | The CMP will no longer listen to the communistic babblings of the SRNP, who have proven to be the worst case of lack of policy since the MCM were in senate. You can say all you like about the CMP, your opinion of us is not what matters, the voice of the people is what we listen to in this party, perhaps it works differently on your benches? How odd. The point is, that the SRNP have failed to defend their flip-flop by doing anything other than explaining why they decided to abandon their policies. What exactly do the SRNP stand for? Fascim or Communism? Because quite frankly it is difficult to tell the difference when half the time you support low taxes, and the rest of time propose higher ones. Dorothea Roberts - CMP Chairman of the Executive Agenda. |
Date | 21:38:26, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Anarcho-Atheist League | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | The luxury tax is a bit high for my liking, but I'll support nonetheless |
Date | 21:43:06, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | The accused "flip flop" and "u-turns" of the CSPS (and, though I cannot speak for them directly, the SRNP,) can be justified easily. When we supported your initial tax cuts, we were under the impression that a reasonable budget to fit within the confines of this newly constricted income would be proposed. I regret my vote for your tax cuts in hindsight, but I do not deny that I voted for them. An honest mistake. In the future, I would suggest that the budget should be passed first and far before any tax scheme completely reliant on that budget is even contemplated. Minister Mallard is responsible for the current economic crisis in Solentia, despite his position otherwise. Mary Danielson, CSPS Chairman |
Date | 21:49:55, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | "When we supported your initial tax cuts, we were under the impression that a reasonable budget to fit within the confines of this newly constricted income would be proposed" It was. You voted against it. Minister Mallard is not responsible. If one only votes for half a proposed programme then you can hardly complain at the results. Had you followed the plan, as any true conservative party would have done, the country wouldn't be in this mess. |
Date | 21:53:08, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Let's be fair now. My party endorsed your budget out of goodwill (OOC: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=189941), along with your taxes. That fact that Minister Mallard not only did not address the immediately voiced concerns of the SRNP but also failed to campaign in support of his program places the blame for its failure squarely on his shoulders. Mary Danielson, CSPS Speaker |
Date | 22:06:36, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | Absolutley not. If we are going to be accurate, the Senate did not give enough support to the endeavour and as such, his attempts at a new Fiscal policy backfired ending in chaos. The programme would have worked perfectly had the senate been supportive enough. |
Date | 22:10:19, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | And the Senate might have been more responsive to Minister Mallard's budget if he had explained why he expected some government agencies to operate with radically slashed budgets, or if he had at least addressed the concerns brought up through some sort of debate, rather than expecting a radical anti-spending bill to pass without discourse. Mary Danielson, CSPS Speaker |
Date | 22:19:04, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | And the way to solve the issue is through through-the-roof tax rates? Does the CSPS have a policy on Taxation or do do you follow the RadNats and just, *laughs* "require flexibility and change"? Dorothea Roberts - CMP Chairman of the Executive Agenda. |
Date | 22:24:23, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | It was the CMP's inflexibility that led to this disastrous budgetary crisis. Senate Warden Harold Belisarius. |
Date | 22:24:24, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | The CSPS policy on taxation is one of low taxes on essential goods, giving those with the means to afford luxury goods the ability to do such though taxed for the privilege, and one of logic and reason. Our nation is in debt, Senator Roberts, and we as Senators have a duty to our constituents to pull them out of this economic mess that Minister Mallard has created. Mary Danielson, CSPS Speaker |
Date | 08:16:47, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | We remind the right honourable gentlement of the SRNP that the CMP was the one that prosed a strong, clear plan for the devlopment of this nations economy that was ruined by your "flexibility". We also add that flexibility has no place in the strengthening of this nations economics. To the right honourable gentlemen of the CSPS - I do not spend my days prowling round the pigeon holes of the ministry of finance. The finance policy was there, we proposed a sytstem that would have stopped this, you have now said no to it TWICE. The second time, Ms.Danielson, you made a conscious decision, just like I did when I wrote these policies. We know that our policy was strong. We know that we made the right decision. And we would do the same again. Dorothea Roberts - CMP Chairman of the Executive Agenda. |
Date | 18:55:45, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Tax Corrections Bill |
Message | "flexibility has no place in the strengthening of this nations economics." We'll just let the late night comedians on SBC have fun with that one. -Sen. Girk |
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Voting
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