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Bill: Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Saiserist League
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2575
Description[?]:
| 1. It is recognized that the democratically-elected and popularly chosen govenment of Hutori, known as the Confederation of the United People of Hutori (or the Confederacy for short), is in dire need of active military assistance against the insurrectionist forces trying to supplant it, known as the Hutori Union, an illegal monarchist force trying to overturn the democratic decisions of the Hutori government 2. It is further declared that the nation of Zardugal will not consider its mission to further the rights of other nations, such as Hutori, completed until the Hutori Union formally surrenders to the rightful government by the Confederation of the United Peoples of Hutori,a dn lays down all arms 3. The mission of Zardugal will also not be completed until all nations that have declared war on the rightful government of Hutori, the Confederation of the United Peoples of Hutori, which at the moment comprises Trigunia, have made a peace accord with Hutori 4. Zardugal reserves the right to make incursionary military offensives against any territories held by the Hutori Union, and any territories held by any nation at war with the Confederation of the United Peoples of Hutori 5. Zardugal also declares its right and intention to make such demands as are merited at the peace processes as merited by the amount of its contribution to the ultimate victory of the Confederacy 6. Zardugal formally declares a state of war as existing between the Free Federation of Zardugal and the Hutori Union, and all states or parties that are materially supporting the Hutori Union with troop contributions (those helping with food, aid, weapons, or other contributions will be considered on a case-by-case basis) 7. Zardugal shall not cease its military endeavors until the rightful government of hutori is resotred to its rightful place Optional Clause: It is recommended, but not demanded, that all parties of Zardugal unite and demonstrate theri patriotism by sending their paramilitary forces to assist our official forces |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:14:24, May 11, 2008 CET | From | Ancient and Noble Order of the Cavaliers | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | "Will we get paid? More importantly, can we make 'requisitions' for the armed forces?" -Sam Flint, Pirate DM |
| Date | 19:16:46, May 11, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | "Of course. Take whatever your forces need, as long as it isn't from one of your allied parties. And rest assured, we will get great benefits at the peace table, not to mention the unwritten rule that your troops will be keeping whatever they can carry back. The Confederacy might not like it, but, that's just too bad." ~Lev Nazarov, speaking to the National Directory explaining the bill |
| Date | 19:29:23, May 11, 2008 CET | From |  Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | "I am glad you have seen the light, Zardugal. Together we can crush these traitors of the Republic. Together, the Confederation and Zardugal shall defeat the enemy!" Hutori Minister of Foreign Affairs, Aristide Thibault |
| Date | 20:23:57, May 11, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | OOC: It's the Union of Greater Kenai actually. IC: If it's money you want, we have plenty. Name your price. |
| Date | 20:27:17, May 11, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | Apologies. Replace "Hutori Union" with "Union of Greater Kenai". OOC: Sorry but I honestly just couldn't wade through twelve pages of thread to find the exact proper name. |
| Date | 20:35:08, May 11, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | OOC: It's fine. |
| Date | 01:44:46, May 12, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (ZC) | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | The N.F.C.Z. having no formal governmental clout of any sort at present is not in a position to really sway anyone in this debate and most importantly; have any impact of the votes. That withstanding, would it be possible for the esteemed members of the Saiserist League to share with the parties in our Federation a brief and objective dossier of the situation in the Kenai Union? Party Spokesman, Edwin Naveed |
| Date | 02:53:45, May 12, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | Read the official forum: http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8447&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&mforum=particracy I request that we begin making deployments now, due to overwhelming support for this motion. |
| Date | 02:58:05, May 12, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (ZC) | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | OOC: I was asking IC. |
| Date | 06:04:13, May 12, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | "It is the Union of Greater Kenai, a hodgepodge of monarchist organizations, at the moment backed by Trigunia, that is in uprising against the legally elected government. The legal government has made their intention to abolish the Hutori monarchy, something the Union of Greater Kenai adamantly opposes, to the point of declaring civil war. It is at present composed of the Hutori Conservative Council and the Conservative Union Party, backed up by the nation of Trigunia. They hold most of eastern Hutori, though the war is beginning to show signs of turning towards the Confederacy, despite the general Union offensive currently in place that began once Trigunia officially entered the war. They even formed a Communist Prevention League, which was used as a front for the merciless annihilation of all political foes of the Monarchists. That is simply unconscionable." ~Saiser Anisim, in an address to the National Directory in explanation of the Union of Greater Kenai in response to an official request made by the National Federalist Coalition of Zarduga |
| Date | 06:06:27, May 12, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | "I also reiterate my request that we begin making deployments now, due to overwhelming support of this measure, instead of formally waiting for this resolution to pass." ~Saiser Anisim |
| Date | 08:28:31, May 12, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | We would like to make clear at this point that no way in hell will the Pirates get their hands on Dragon Skin, ICS or the L1A1 |
| Date | 20:57:55, May 12, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | "Consider our ports and airbases open to receive your troops." Minister of Defence, Arienne Joséphine |
| Date | 15:42:27, May 13, 2008 CET | From | Hutori Conservative Council | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | We would like to remind the parties of this nation that this 'legitimate' government is only a recent development. Up until recently, the conservative monarchist parties, such as my own and the CUP, held legitimate government, and the communist, republican revolutionaries were the ones waging war against our legitimate government. We note that this country made absolutely no effort to defend our legitimate government, but as soon as the government is taken over by communists, they are calling for the troops. Very interesting. We now know that this countries sympathies lie with the extremist, far-left and their subsersive terrorist tactics. We were not the ones who started the war. The communists, the now so-called 'legitimate government', were the ones who declared an illegal war against our legitimate government and our legitimate king. We find this motion laughable as it seems to completely ignore where the recent history of these communist parties - they were violent, revolutionary terrorists who wanted to destroy the democratic process and erect government by force. We are not asking for this country to withdraw their support. We are simply pointing out that the so-called 'legitimate government' they are supporting are a group of violent, communist terrorist extremists who waged war on the true, legitimate government not so long ago. |
| Date | 02:58:23, May 14, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (ZC) | To | Debating the Joining the War in Hutori to Support the Confederacy |
| Message | OOC: To declare war you need a HoS and HoG as the constitution outlines. This debate needs brought back up if those who supported it wish it to be; otherwise anything going on is your paramilitaries and not the national armies. I've made this point clear to many in PM's and they know as well that until the latest elections there was no credible government in Zardugal whatsoever. Every attempt to call for early elections was blocked, as all know. I will formulate an IC reply to this issue shortly. Thanks. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 357 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 32 |
| Random fact: "OOC", "IC" and "IG" are commonly-used acronyms in Particracy. "OOC" refers to comments, discussions and actions which are out-of-character, meaning they are done player-to-player rather than party-to-party. "IC" refers to in-character interactions (ie. party-to-party). Similarly, "IG" means in-game, although this term may also simply refer to what happens in the actual game interface, as opposed to on the forum or elsewhere. "RP" just means "role-play". |
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