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Bill: Reform of Education System Act II
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rutanian Democratic Forum
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2578
Description[?]:
| For universities which will support interests of whole society, rather than private ones. This will also help people to make "informed decisions", uneducated people can never make informed decisions. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education institutions.
Old value:: The government leaves the development and funding of all higher education institutions up to local governments.
Current: The government maintains a system of universities, vocational schools, and colleges nationwide.
Proposed: The government maintains a system of universities nationwide.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:40:56, May 15, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | Dont support |
| Date | 23:23:41, May 15, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | Why? |
| Date | 01:54:48, May 16, 2008 CET | From | Federal Rutanian Libertarian Union | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | Absolutely not, for the same reason that we stated in the other bill. Education, and all other services should be user pays - not paid for by funds stolen from the people. |
| Date | 02:22:15, May 16, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | RDF cannot understand why does the LP consider this as "stealing". With such arguments, Liberal Party pushes us back into 19th century (well, Earthly 19th century). RDF will not allow that. |
| Date | 03:31:14, May 16, 2008 CET | From | Federal Rutanian Libertarian Union | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | Stealing? Because the government takes these hard-earned funds wrongfully to pay for services that they people can easily choose to pay for themselves. We shouldn't be allocating funds on behalf of the people, when the people can use their income themselves. |
| Date | 11:30:56, May 16, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | Yes, but maybe they do not have enough income to pay for themselves. For someone who gets, for example 5000 RUT for month, maybe is hard to pay all the studying. And he doesn't get the government support for it. Tuition can be very expensive. So, should he be uneducated because he cannot afford it to get educated? |
| Date | 12:45:04, May 16, 2008 CET | From | Fair and Equal World Party | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | As far as we can tell, our current law "steals" money from the taxpayer anyway, just at a different governmental level - local instead of federal. |
| Date | 09:00:37, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | I'd rather keep it local... |
| Date | 11:44:42, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the Reform of Education System Act II |
| Message | WHy local? Why can't we have national centers of university and research excellence? OOC: The first example that comes to my mind is example from Switzerland: Universities are funded through local cantons, but there are two federal universities of technology (Zürich and Lausanne), which are funded through federal government (note that Switzerland is a confederation, even more than Rutania): and they are among the best universities in Europe. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 160 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 245 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 194 |
| Random fact: Particracy does not allow official national flags of real-life nations or flags which are very prominent and recognisable (eg. the flags of the European Union, the United Nations, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union or the Confederate States of America). |
| Random quote: âCan anyone imagine a more perverse idea than forcing faithful Hosians like me to give away my money to enable irresponsible teenage girls to kill off their children because they were too drunk to use a damn condom?" - Dr. Francesca dos Santos, former Dranian politician |