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Bill: Torture Bill!
Details
Submitted by[?]: Telamon National Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2578
Description[?]:
We feel that in cases of national security we should be able to use torture to get information we need, one persons/criminals suffering is in our opinion worth the greater good of saving many many lives. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 16:23:49, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Humanic Republicanist Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill! |
Message | The Humanic Republicanist Party agrees with this bill. |
Date | 21:43:41, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Capitalist Delegation | To | Debating the Torture Bill! |
Message | Our party will not under any circumstances support legislation which legalizes any form of torture. James Lott Chairman Democratic Capitalist Delegation |
Date | 23:59:27, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Radical Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill! |
Message | We find this bill disgraceful, but find it typical of the sort of extremist the TNP has made obvious they are willing to go to to win populist power: intimidation and moral degradation. A vote for the TNP is a vote for autocracy and violation of civil liberties. If the TNP win the next legislative election, we will be living under a one party state. Perhaps one day I will regret these words when the very torture I spoke out against is legalised and used to suppress political opposition. Fieren Goldmark Finance Minister Leader of the Radical Party |
Date | 00:12:09, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Humanic Republicanist Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill! |
Message | The HRP doubts that there will be a point that the honorable Finance Minister will hold information vital enough to warrant his torture. |
Date | 00:56:25, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Telamon National Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill! |
Message | The Radical Party is just scaremongering, in the TNP's past we have always defended democracy and our system. We have held considerably more power and influence than we do at this current moment in time, we will put the security and safety of the many before the few. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||
yes | Total Seats: 169 | |||
no | Total Seats: 236 | |||
abstain | Total Seats: 96 |
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