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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of July 2578
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2579
Description[?]:
LLP- You will get the usual, Defense and Justice. I also threw in Trade and Industry.
PI- I believe you deserve to serve in our cabinet. You received Education and Culture, like you have requested several times, Internal Affairs, and Food and Agriculture.
MP- As I had promised, you will get some cabinet positions. Experience comes with the job. You will get Infrastructure and Transport and Environment and Tourism.
GGP - I have not included you in this cabinet because you don't like big coalitions but you will get the Vice-President Nomination.
URP- I believe you know why.
PT- Your policies are much like the URP's, which are totally against mine.
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Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President of the Commonwealth chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the The Liberal Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Pariah Idealism
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the The Meso Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Lodamun Libertarian Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the The Liberal Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Pariah Idealism
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the The Liberal Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Lodamun Libertarian Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Lodamun Libertarian Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the The Meso Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the The Liberal Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Pariah Idealism
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:37:23, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | I am not sure if I am gonna vote yes or no. On one side it is good to retain defence and justice, but on the other hand on things like finance and education can see that this cabinet will have policies that are not acceptable to me, and therefore I am not sure if I want to be a part of this cabinet. I am going to think it through, and give a vote before the deadline |
| Date | 19:24:11, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | The Green Party received the VP nomination. I did not include them because they don't like big coalitions such as this one and they would have blocked it. Oh, I said that in the description if you don't mind reading it first. |
| Date | 19:26:03, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | LLP, it will be very sad if you voted to block this cabinet. I trust that you will do a very good job on Defense and Justice. You cannot always agree with every party in the cabinet and that's why all bills are voted upon in Parliament where you have a chance to block them. |
| Date | 20:05:22, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Yeah I know that, but I am not sure I want to be in a cabinet which will represent certain policies that I cant accept. Justice isnt really that importent to me because of the supreme court, and I know you and I do agree on most military issues. The last one, trade and industry is a department I want to get rid of because thats two areas I dont want the government doing anything. |
| Date | 20:19:15, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | If you have trade and industry, then don't do anything. If some else gets it they might start to interfere. I know you don't like government spending but remember our most importnt cabinet positions are Defense and Foreign Affairs (well, the most used ones, not to take importance away from any other). Look be realistic, no one is going to blame you if we increased government spending. I think you should vote for this cabinet. You have done a good job in Defense and I would like you to be there during this administration. |
| Date | 20:27:09, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Well it would be nice if you could put the trade and industry budget to 0 while I have the ministry to reflect on the fact that they wont do anything at all if I get it |
| Date | 20:33:13, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | It can't be zero because how are the governement workers going to get paid in that Ministry. Since you are the Minister you can do with the funds whatever you want and take any actions, or none at all. You can simply sit back and enjoy a good paycheck if that's what you want. I do need you to vote for this cabinet. |
| Date | 20:52:33, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | It should be fire since I can say right now that I will fire every single person in the department, and push them into the private sector, to try and put into effect closing down the department completly |
| Date | 21:14:07, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Look, let's stop the radicalism. You can't fire government officials just like that. If you just want to vote no, then vote no, don't make any excuses. You can simply do nothing but you must enforce the current laws because that is why we have an executive branch. How you enforce the laws, it is up to you. |
| Date | 21:40:42, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Why cant I fire government officials? As the minister of that department all government officials in that department would be under me, and as there boss I would be entitled to fireing them all. And quit using the term radical about me as im not a radical party |
| Date | 21:49:16, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Sorry about the radical, I was still on that post about radicalism, maybe got a little carried away. Unless you have a justification other than you are fired, yes, you can fire them but unless you have one you can't fire them. Change does not occur at the snap of your fingers, it takes time. My question is: Is this going to be a problem for the future? What are you going to do then? I am giving you a lot of power for that Ministry, I suggest you take it, even though what you may do I might not favor. |
| Date | 22:01:41, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | I can fire them because there is no use for them in a LLP controlled ministry of trade and industry. I dont think there is a law against firing employees because there is no need for the job in a company. If I just fired someone because I felt like it and the position they where being fired from was one that I would need to rehire someone for I agree with you, but firing because of downsizing I think is a valid reason.
I do understand you are trying to give the ministry some powers, but it is a ministry I want to demolish.
I will accept the nominations (in effect voting yes) But my first order of buisiness for that ministry will be to downsize everyone, then I will propose removing its budget.
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| Date | 22:10:21, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Government employees are different from the others, they have a guaranteed job until their contract ends unless they do something illegal or stupid. What you can do is to not resign anymore contracts as they run out, they are usually for a year. Since the Minister is there, there must be a budget. Until there is no one in the Ministry then the budget could be zero. But good luck with that. Remember that you need a justification for firing them, except I don't like you or don't sign new contracts. |
| Date | 22:20:07, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | There is NO difference between government emplyees and employees in private companies. I want to see the law that states that government officials got a guaranteed job and cant be subjected to downsizing |
| Date | 23:05:29, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Their contracts. And I am sorry but I can't let you break them. You do what you want except break a contract. I already told you what are the possible ways to do it. There is a difference between government and private employees. The government give its employees more security while the private employees are subject to downsizing. |
| Date | 23:15:00, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | When did we start hiring all our employeers on a temporary contract system, which it seems you are saying? Government employeers have been always been hired in the same way any other company hires its employees, and are subject to downsizing. I will fire every worker if the cabinet proposel is approved, and if you say its illegal then I dont really care, I will only rehire them if a court rules the firing of those employeers against the law or unconstitutional, under no other circumstances |
| Date | 23:25:48, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Every employee has a contract, an it runs out. They are not subject to downsizing. I will advice you to then vote no for this cabinet because I will not allow you to do so under those circumstances. if you take the possible way I gave you then there is no problem. |
| Date | 23:33:17, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | Our government workers are not hired on a temporary contract, they have a permanent contract which are subject to downsizing, and only the court can stop me from carrying it out |
| Date | 23:38:06, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | As the minister I lead the department, and therfore I am the boss of everyone that works in the department and can fire them. I doubt your claimed contract will stand in court, as the previous administration hired on a contract equal to the ones you will find in the privat sector, and this administration has not announced any change in the hiring policy, and you cant change your employees contract unless they agree to it, and I doubt any of our workers would go from a permanent contract to a contract that must be renewed every now and then, as the first contract gives them alot more job security |
| Date | 23:41:05, May 19, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2578 | | Message | I can block this cabinet if I want to. Now, I don't want to do that. If you could only adhere by the contracts, it'd benice. But if you leave me no choice I'll block it. And don't even think on doing it now because I wil fire the current Minister. For the sake of everyone, let's work this out. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 17 |
| no | Total Seats: 119 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 14 |
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