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Bill: Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy)
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2599
Description[?]:
| Sekowo is a land of diverse peoples and groups, some of which who don't exactly always get along, because of this many secessionist movements exist, primarily because their is no major unifying force. Therefore we propose that a Monarchy be re-established under the following terms. The Monarchy of Sekowo shall comprise the titular Head of State, whos powers shall be vested in the cabinet. The Monarch of Sekowo shall be known commonly as the Tenno, and formally as Her/His Celestial Majesty, Tenno (name). The Tenno shall be a near descendant of two of the five royal houses, one of each comprising the five primary groups of Sekowo, the Greco-Romans, Japanese/Gao-Showa, Nordic, Franco-Normands and Amerindiands. The heir to the throne shall be the oldest child born to the ruling Tenno The order of succession shall be based on age starting form the oldest to the youngest. The position of Tenno shall transfer to the Crown Prince/Princess at either the death of the ruling Tenno; or upon their complete and total resignation from the throne. The following shall be the official formal titles of the Imperial family; Full title of the Empress/Emperor; -Her Celestial Majesty, Tenno; (name) f. -His Celestial Majesty, Tenno; (name) m. Title of the Husband/Wife of the Tenno; -Her Imperial Majesty, High Princess (name) f. -His Imperial Majesty, High Prince (name) m. Children of the Tenno; Set to Inherit the Throne; -Crown Princess (name) f. -Crown Prince (name) m. In line to inherit the throne; -Princess (name) f. -Prince (name) m. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Tenno
Current: 惟忠、大靖高国天皇及び大元帥陸海空軍大将/惟忠、大靖髙國天皇及び大元帥陸海空軍大將 - Koretada, Dai Sekōkoku Tennō, Dai Gensui Rikukaikūgun Taishō (His Imperial Majesty, Koretada, Emperor of Seko, Grand Commander-in-chief of the Imperial Armed Forces)
Proposed: H. Celestial Majesty, Tenno
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:04:07, May 19, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | OOC: A few notes; -I was thinking of Belgium with the various groups part. -Tenno translates to 'Heavenly Sovereign', so that's why the English term has the word Heavenly in it. I'm leaving this in debate for awhile to get ideas on it, improvements and such. |
| Date | 10:26:56, May 19, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | [[What's this about "near-descendants"]] We are offended that the Normands have been lumped together with the French. |
| Date | 16:08:19, May 19, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | We assert, as we always have, that there is no divine right to rule, and that rulers must always be chosen by the people in a secular situation. This is nothing more than a state-imposed religion, and is abhorrent to every one of our members. We want to encourage growth in Sekowo, not chase it away! |
| Date | 16:18:58, May 19, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | OOC: Near descendants being those born from the royal families within a generation, as opposed to someone who may have had a single ancestor form one of the families decades ago. IC: The monarch would not be a ruler, the powers would be vested in the cabinet, the monarch is simply meant to be a unifying force. Further more religion plays no role in this, the ISP is an Atheistic party, and thusly is highly against religion in the first place and would not institute any kind of state religion. The term 'Heavenly' is meant in a Secular manner and is simply the result of translation. |
| Date | 03:47:23, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | Still, we are utterly opposed to any sort of deification, secular or religious, of any man, woman, or child. We put forth that leaders must always be chosen democratically, and we shall never accept any sort of Monarchy. |
| Date | 05:40:23, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | The term heavenly implies religion most offensively, and makes this whole distasteful business of monarchy even that much more. We oppose entirely. While you may claim this post to be a figurehead, all such figures should be chosen democratically and often. |
| Date | 08:55:21, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | We oppose to having a symbolic monarch. We should not expend resources on a non-functional member of government. |
| Date | 13:17:21, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Timocratic Union | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | We congratulate Sekowo on this move towards normal politics. |
| Date | 15:43:51, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | "Normal politics isn't what this nation should strive for. We should strive to be extraordinary. The CTU, as well as any others which seek to place any individual fundamentally above another, are flawed and corrupt products." --Wycliffe Kilkenny, Chairman of the AFFS. |
| Date | 16:59:43, May 20, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | Ok, how about this, instead of 'His/Her Heavenly Majesty' how about 'His/Her Celestial Majesty', it's more attuned to science that way, and is definitely much more unique then 'Heavenly'. |
| Date | 18:29:00, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | We have no problem with the title, but simply with other aspects of the proposal. |
| Date | 19:03:56, May 20, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | OOC: Well the only real power I can think of that any constitutional monarch has is vetoing bills, and since the games mechancics never had that built into them, it would be difficult to do. |
| Date | 14:09:17, May 22, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | Regardless of Celestial or Heavenly, we cannot put any one family above another, any one person fundamentally above another. It's odious. |
| Date | 17:14:01, May 22, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | There would be no one family, there would be four primary families, and the legislature would be able to vote on replacing, removing or adding families. |
| Date | 05:38:01, May 24, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | This could be what is called an elective monarchy. You would have the 'candidates' from the various families, and the legislature (or population) would vote for one of them. |
| Date | 05:59:27, June 28, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | I'm putting this to vote since it's not being debated, vote yes if you want to, if you don;t, well vote no. |
| Date | 06:00:26, June 28, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | Oh, and if it passes, don't worry, I intend to remove it to Shiratoku withih 20 game years. |
| Date | 21:07:55, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | OOC: Oh no. CP didn't see this bill. NOT GOOD. |
| Date | 22:28:52, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the Gov.0003.2578 (Monarchy) |
| Message | OOC: I sent him a message with a link to the bill. I didn't tell him HOW to vote, just that he should vote... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 300 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 235 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 65 |
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