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Bill: Liberalisation of the Defence Industry
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberale Partij (L)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2579
Description[?]:
| After the successful introduction of regulated free market reforms, the liberal movement hopes to do the same for the defence industry. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns all defence industries.
Current: Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.
Proposed: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:55:07, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Liberalisation of the Defence Industry |
| Message | Although we oppose free market by definition, we do not wish the government to engage in something as warmongering as creating weapons. |
| Date | 07:24:32, May 21, 2008 CET | From | Hutori Conservative Council | To | Debating the Liberalisation of the Defence Industry |
| Message | Defence and justice are two of the very, very few areas we actually see it necessary for state-ownership. The military has to be acting on behalf of the country - if they are funded by the state, there's a sense that they are fighting for the entire country. If they are private, they are fighting for profit and may see absolutely no obligation to their country, beyond earning money. And besides, where would these private militia recieve their funding? Not many people would voluntarily donate to something if they didn't have to. What would happen is that we would eventially not even have a military at all - private militias would fail and disintegrate due to lack of funding, and if another country waged war on us we would be completely and utterly unprepared. |
| Date | 07:35:28, May 21, 2008 CET | From | Hutori Conservative Council | To | Debating the Liberalisation of the Defence Industry |
| Message | If, of course, the HLP were to propose legislation whereby private militia would work alongside a national military, we may be able to support this. But considering this legislation will probably pass as it is, (OOC: Where the HELL are you DNP???), we will have to decline. |
| Date | 07:39:18, May 21, 2008 CET | From | Liberale Partij (L) | To | Debating the Liberalisation of the Defence Industry |
| Message | OOC actually it is set to fail 118 to 122 as it is. Nice about-turn everyone is making on this issue tho! IC: We're not talking about the military but about industry, private businesses that happen to produce weapons. If they were run privately, rather than by the state, they might be far more efficient. The government could procure weapons at a competitive price, saving money. |
| Date | 20:16:29, May 21, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Nationalists Party | To | Debating the Liberalisation of the Defence Industry |
| Message | OoC: I love the way that HCC knew they needed me to stop this bill passing xD |
| Date | 20:28:43, May 21, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Nationalists Party | To | Debating the Liberalisation of the Defence Industry |
| Message | OoC: I love the way that HCC knew they needed me to stop this bill passing xD |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 118 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 183 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Bill descriptions must be in English, or at least include a full English translation. Bill titles may appear in a language that is appropriate to the nation and are not required to be translated into English. |
| Random quote: "Before all else, be armed." - Niccolo Machiavelli |