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Bill: Income tax proposal of September 2580
Details
Submitted by[?]: Lodamun Libertarian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change income taxes. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2582
Description[?]:
Some things I would like to say about this tax cut.
1. This is a tax cut which will give tax cuts to everyone who was not included in the last tax cut (which was specificly targeted at lowering the taxes for the poor).
2. A person in the middleclass income (2000 LOD a year) would still pay 6 times as much in tax as the poorest (makes a bit over 3 times as much, and must pay twice as much % of there income), and a upper middle class citizen would pay more than 12 times as much money (makes around 6 times as much and pay twice as much % off there income)
3. This tax cut brings us alot closer to a flat tax, which in my opinion is fair to every individual, since if you make 10 times as much under a flat tax system you pay 10 times as much tax to take a example, so everyone pays equally according to what they make |
Proposals
Article 1
We propose to alter income tax brackets to the following setup. Information about the current income tax system can be found here.
| Bracket | Tax | Estimated Revenue |
| > 600 LOD | 8% | 1,147,000,000 LOD |
| > 850 LOD | 10% | 2,008,000,000 LOD |
| > 1,200 LOD | 14% | 6,424,000,000 LOD |
| > 2,000 LOD | 17% | 16,097,000,000 LOD |
| > 4,000 LOD | 18% | 14,256,000,000 LOD |
Total | 39,932,000,000 LOD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:38:58, May 23, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | You proposed taxation bills when I was minister of fianance, so I dont see the problem. Also since taxation is controlled by the parliament, not cabinet, I see no reason for why cabinet members hould have the exclusive right to do so |
| Date | 19:44:06, May 23, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | I only proposed a taxation bill when I was President. Only one budget bill but especifically for the Foreign Affairs Ministry. I have never seen anyne besides the President and the Finance Minister doing so. |
| Date | 20:46:51, May 23, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | I dont care about whatever "consequences" you think you can give me, but sure, bring it on if it pleases you.
Your tax cut is a terrible one in my opinion, and therfore I felt the need to propose one which was more better. |
| Date | 20:48:55, May 23, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | Consequences for the future such as unbalanced budget, crazy tax proposals and budget proposals, etc. Gosh, you are always twisting my words. STOP TRYING TO CREATE A FIGHT. I am not like you or the URRA, I don't want violence. |
| Date | 20:58:36, May 23, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | And I dident twist your words, you where the one who told me to think of the consequences of this action, so if you dident mean it the way I took I think you should have frased yourself another way.
Its for the majority, not just the rich. I am not defending the big businesses in general, I am just trying to get the government to back away, I am not doing it because I want to crush the workers if thats what you think. And in my opinion you should be ashemed for supporting a political line to increase the government and interfere even more in peoples lives, so lets not start with that since its politics, peoples vision of how the worl should be is different. |
| Date | 21:01:30, May 23, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | Yes, it is different but this is favoring the rich because in no way the poor received a tax cut. By trying to make government back off, you are favoring big business. The workers can only defend themselves with the help of the government. A tax cut only to the rich is discriminating against the poor. |
| Date | 21:14:47, May 23, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | The uninions are not weak, they can equal the power of the corporations. A strike is never good for the buisnesses since they take a big financial hit (almost 0 income while the strike lasts), and if a company wants to attract workers they will need to have the best offer, which therfore creates a pressure on companies to improve working conditions and salery levels to be able to provide the best offer. |
| Date | 21:17:13, May 23, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | Yes, all of those free market ideals, they don't all happen. There is discrimination against workers. A corporation can simply replace the workers with others. Unions certainly don't have the money or the influence corporations do. |
| Date | 12:01:19, May 25, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of September 2580 | | Message | I am not twisting things. That tax cut was the last one we passed, and it was exclusivly aimed at the poor, so this tax cut is aimed at the ones who dident get a tax cut the last time, and it also creates almost a flat tax system, which is the most fair type of tax |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 45 |
| no | Total Seats: 74 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 31 |
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