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Bill: Interrogation Act I
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Gaduridos
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2115
Description[?]:
| We feel that in extreme circumstances, non-fatal torture should be allowed. Torture would only be permitted with the approval of the Philosopher, and the Philosopher would have to inform the Congress. If the Congress of National Deputies finds torture unnecessary, they can overturn the Philosopher's decision with a majority vote. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:16:11, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Gaduridos | To | Debating the Interrogation Act I |
| Message | Opinions? |
| Date | 03:27:23, September 21, 2005 CET | From | National Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Interrogation Act I |
| Message | Sorry, but no. |
| Date | 03:29:45, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Gaduridos | To | Debating the Interrogation Act I |
| Message | Reasons? |
| Date | 04:20:54, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Totalitarian Party | To | Debating the Interrogation Act I |
| Message | We support. A trained interrogator can get the truth from a suspect, and in an emergency, it is vital that we get the truth. |
| Date | 16:16:46, September 21, 2005 CET | From | National Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Interrogation Act I |
| Message | there is other ways to get the truth, besides, people being tortured will say anything to stop it, and may say false confessions |
| Date | 17:46:54, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Totalitarian Party | To | Debating the Interrogation Act I |
| Message | Consider this scenario: A terrorist has been captured. He has planted two bombs. One has already gone off, killing many citizens. The police force does not know where he has planted the second bomb. The police have thirty minutes to find and disarm the bomb, or more citizens will die. They could ask him politely, but I doubt that will work. If a pardon is offered in return for the location of the second bomb, terrorists will know they can escape punishment by planting two bombs, and using the second to free themselves. Threats could be made, but without legal torture, there is little they can do. Their only option is to search for clues in the little amount of time left. Do you think they'll be successful? With torture, the police have a greater chance of finding the location of the second bomb. A trained interrogator knows when his subject is telling the truth and when he is lying. The suspect will say anything to stop the torture, but the interrogator will know when he is lying. The only thing the terrorist can do to stop it is to tell the police the location of the bomb. With trained interrogators, the police will get the location of that bomb. |
| Date | 23:02:41, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Gaduridos National Party | To | Debating the Interrogation Act I |
| Message | we believe that torture is un-democratic and will therefore vote no |
| Date | 00:18:00, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Nuovo Partito Di Machiavellian | To | Debating the Interrogation Act I |
| Message | Here's a scenario, the Minister of the Interior feels that the head of the Imperium Party is planning a violent take over of the government. We will try not to leave marks... Just kidding, but any law such as this can be easily abused, as well as ineffective. In the above scenario, I am sure the party chief would start giving names very quickly in the proceedings. Never mind that there is no conspiracy |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 92 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 307 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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