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Bill: Southern Dovani Security Initiative
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Pluralism Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2594
Description[?]:
| Some zealous and excessively enthusiastic Trigunian party decided to undertake an occupation of protected Dovani territory. In a rather poor judgment call, they decided to declare war on Sekowo because of some ill-defined notion about Vascanian territorial claims. The message is: "Hello there, We'd like to inform you that as of Jan 2581, your nation is at war with Trigunia, because of its invasion of Vascania (a territory we have garrisoned to aid our allies the Union). Being foreign minister, we thought it was your prerogative to know." We have two options: -ignore these poorly substantiated and laughable claims -muster the powers of Dovani against these pitiable outsiders We prefer the latter, as it seems that everyone is taking a bite out of Dovani lately, and our territorial security is at risk. New Adelia has neither the right nor the strength to hold its own against the might of the New World. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:51:21, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | Actually, we have'nt officially ever sent anyone to Vascania, there was legislation a decade ago to claim the island off the caost, but it failed. We feel that before we do anything with Vascania we should completely secure and take over the illegal settlement of New Adelia (90% under our control right now), to ensure the integrity of Southern Dovani. OOC: It is going to be incredibly difficult to actually control a large segment of Vascania since the main party involved would rather not do the RP and currently there is a petition for a real nation to be established there, to continue the RP results form the Hutori civil war. |
| Date | 03:17:49, May 27, 2008 CET | From |  Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | We have contacted Lourenne and Talmoria, asking them to expand their colonial holdings into the South, so as to further secure the territorial integrity of Dovani. Perhaps we should expand as well...just a little |
| Date | 03:26:19, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | That would be wise. Since we essentially control New Adelia (to be the Jamahiriya al Medina), we now have territory that is not contiguous with the rest of the Commonwealth that could otherwise be so. We suggest colonizing a strip of land (roughly twice as wide as Teoitan) connecting the area with the rest of the commonwealth. |
| Date | 04:55:01, May 27, 2008 CET | From |  TSDRP | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | You will pay for your insolence. Trigunia is not a power which can simply be brushed away. Our military budget is, (as agreed with the DSP) clearly at least twice that of Sekowo, if not more. As for "zealous and excessively enthusiastic Trigunian party"....that is very laughable. We represent the Trigunian people absolutely, especially considering our majority in the cabinet and the unanimity with which any bills regarding foreign affairs we propose are passed. Our party and Trigunian politics are one and the same thing. Of course, you have the chance to redeem yourselves. Issue a formal apology (passed with a majority) to our people and we will refrain from turning your colonial empire into our colonial empire. |
| Date | 05:17:36, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | This is our suggestion for the new territory. http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5016/newcoloniesmapue4.png |
| Date | 05:40:52, May 27, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | Ugghh, how melodramatic. Next thing Trigunia (err, the TPP) will do is make some overblown manifesto of war and pretend that it has the wherewithal to tackle the half-dozen nations of Dovani at once. |
| Date | 05:57:55, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | OOC: Actually, I think that at the most only three of the other Dovanian nations will actually be involved at the most. Dranland is essentially useless and does'nt seem to care about anything outside of it right now, Hulstria has come out and said they don't care about anything South of Lourenne proper. Kazulia is a possible, even though we have a defence treaty with them, and they are DfD member-states, the party I negotiated has been gone for quite some time. Lourenne will most likely get involved, and Talmoria might as well. |
| Date | 06:25:28, May 27, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | OOC: However, all six Dovani nations signed the Dovani for the Dovanians treaty, and are all therefore obligated to fend off this foreign influence. Even if they will not be actively involved in the RP struggle, we can at least gain the approval of the more quiet Dovani nations for the use of their military. |
| Date | 06:42:02, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | OOC: True, my fear though is that when we bring it up, some of them may want to leave the treaty. |
| Date | 08:35:27, May 27, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | We oppose any attempts at further colonialization. |
| Date | 14:32:01, May 27, 2008 CET | From | National Imperial Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | We the National Imperial Party of Talmoria are willing to send His Imperial Majesties troops to war in defence of Dovani the only problem is the other parties of the nation are divided on the situation. We have the force to make a large contribution to the defence but whether the Imperial Senate votes for it is another Question. General James Clark Prime Minister of Talmoria |
| Date | 16:29:47, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | OOC: I'll create a thread for public discussions of the matter, that way everyone (not just the Dovanian nations) can see what parts of Dovani belong to who. |
| Date | 16:54:57, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=180843&mforum=particracy#180843 The thread for all of this. |
| Date | 17:19:07, May 27, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | May we ask what you don't like about colonies in Dovani? |
| Date | 18:39:45, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | It's the result of Dovanian nations having been colonies themselves, they fought for their independencem and they don't want to see any other part of Dovani go through the same processof being take over by foreigners (IE non-Dovanians). I suppose it's a kind of nationalism, albeit on a grander scale, perhaps akin to Pan-Africanism. |
| Date | 19:26:04, May 27, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | Disgusting. We don't enslave the natives. Infact, there are measures to ensure that native land isn't built on. |
| Date | 21:02:15, May 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | Did'nt say anything about enslavement. Just answering the question. |
| Date | 07:48:46, May 28, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | The Trigunians just made the asinine choice of invading part of Dranian territory and then offering monetary compensation for the forcibly stolen land. Of course, the Dranians are outraged and are rallying for military action. |
| Date | 19:37:51, May 28, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | If we agree fully to leave natives alone, and let them practice their customs, and only settle in uninhabited regions, will you withdraw from New Adelia. |
| Date | 21:58:43, May 28, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | No. New Adelia is a part of Dovani, only Dovanian nations are allowed to control Dovani. |
| Date | 02:03:11, May 29, 2008 CET | From | TSDRP | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | No, anyone is. You just think only Dovanian nations are |
| Date | 15:25:55, May 29, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | I agree with the Trigunians. We've given you adequate terms. |
| Date | 21:37:10, May 29, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | You're also in no place to bargain. You've lost the war in Hutori and the only reason you're even holding Vascania is because we know how immoral your forces are in the use of nuclear weapons. Dovania has, does and always will belong to the Dovanian nations, no one else. |
| Date | 12:26:42, May 30, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | The residents of New Adelia want to be ruled by Hutori. Let them, or we'll bring charges against you for breach of human rights. You have six months or we'll see you at the World Court! |
| Date | 21:38:48, May 30, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | The Federal Commonwealth fo Sekowo is not, nor have we ever been a member of the world court, and therefore any decissions it makes mean nothing to us. |
| Date | 09:47:21, June 01, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | It shows whose proposal has more merit. It is the very essence of international law. I'll be informing the CZP with regards to this. |
| Date | 11:32:10, June 02, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | OOC: CZP is one of the reasons we are'nt members. He's immature and is bipolar in regards to Sekowo (he use to have a Sekowan party), one minute he wants us to join something the next minute he's insulting us and trying to declare war. |
| Date | 16:48:16, June 02, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | The CZP is morally bankrupt. They claim to be Christian, yet openly embrace bigotry. They have no hold on our people. Find someone with some moral credit, and you might have a case. |
| Date | 18:56:15, June 02, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | I will. The CZP will not be the judge. |
| Date | 08:11:11, June 19, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | We're archiving this |
| Date | 22:34:19, July 08, 2008 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Southern Dovani Security Initiative |
| Message | OOC: srry for grave digging but i do not see myself as bi-polar to sekowo. I only react to this nation according to what they do. |
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| Vote | Seats | ||||
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| no |
Total Seats: 221 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 132 |
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