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Bill: TiC Internationalism Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tuesday Is Coming
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2121
Description[?]:
| The following policy on international aid shall be re-enacted(originally passed in "stop legalized theft") "Tax money is taken from Lodamun Citizens, with the explicit purpose of benefitting the people of Lodamun. Foreign aid fails to benefit the people of Lodamun, and is widely seen to cause harmful economic tendencies in the nations which recieve it. We assert that any tax money given to other countries as foreign aid belongs solely to the people of Lodamun, and that no other country's citizens have more of a legal claim to that money than the people who earned it: We propose that the Parliament of the Independent Republic of Lodamun immediately cease ALL forms of monetary gifts to other nations. Let them collect their own taxes, allow our citizens to give to international charities on their own. A government agency, established for this purpose, shall continue to accept voluntary donations that shall be directed into foreign aid. This agency shall be funded entirely without tax money, a portion of donations shall be used instead. Each year, there shall be a report to the public detailing how the money was spent. Let this bill not be construed as to mean that we oppose all foreign aid, we just oppose compulsory taxation used for foreign aid. If this bill passes, citizens will have maximum choice over how their money is spent toward other countries, even if they would prefer that a government entity directs it All charitable contributions, local, national, international, and other, shall be tax deductible" International commerce regulation shall also cease, though nuclear arms sales shall not be permitted to anyone, inside or outside Lodamun. The reciprocal tariff policy shall not be affected. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards giving aid to foreign countries.
Old value:: The government gives moderate aid to countries in need.
Current: The government gives high levels of aid to countries in need.
Proposed: The government never offers international aid.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government does not allow arms to be exported.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government allows conventional arms to be exported freely.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:44:07, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the TiC Internationalism Reform |
| Message | not even disaster relief? May the government sell arms to Baltusia if we know they will invade us? To Kanjor, which might use them to commit genocide on its own citizens or once again invade our territorial waters? out of curiosity, TIC, do you feel the government should be permitted to tax for disaster relief inside Lodamun? What about an earthquake off the coast of another country, followed by a tsunami that hits our coast? |
| Date | 18:57:51, September 21, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the TiC Internationalism Reform |
| Message | Inside Lodamun, it's debateable. Depends entirely on the situation, who is to blame, how great the damage is, etc. But there are times when it is justified. |
| Date | 02:19:02, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the TiC Internationalism Reform |
| Message | glad to hear it. The logical conclusion then is that Lodamun lives are worth more than those of foreigners, if we can NEVER fund disaster relief outside our borders. |
| Date | 02:24:40, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the TiC Internationalism Reform |
| Message | Lodamun lives are the responsibility and jurisdiction of the Lodamun government. Foreigners are not. |
| Date | 18:05:59, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the TiC Internationalism Reform |
| Message | exactly. We are merely confirming the underlying premise: to our government, Lodamun lives are more valuable than those of foreigners. We disagree: all life has value. And even from a utilitarian perspective, *permitting* us to carry out *occasional* disaster relief overseas pays dividends in trade benefits and contracts to Lodamun corporations for reconstruction work. While we can acgree to disagree on the value of aid programming, we are concerned at the absolutism in this bill. That debate being concluded in disagreement, can we ask for an answer to the question of whether Lodamun companies should be permitted to arm countries that are at war, or cold war, with Lodamun? If we are at war, will the government be permitted to impose an arms embargo on our enemy? (Lodamun has done this in the past, but this bill will prevent us from doing so in the future.) |
| Date | 07:49:07, October 04, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the TiC Internationalism Reform |
| Message | All life has value. It is not ok for us to force this idea upon our citizens when it refers to foreigners, however. |
| Date | 10:39:33, October 04, 2005 CET | From | Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition | To | Debating the TiC Internationalism Reform |
| Message | No to one, yes to two. No overall. |
| Date | 16:55:34, October 04, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the TiC Internationalism Reform |
| Message | The PCL would allow arms sales to Deltaria? That's rather surprising. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 55 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 126 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 97 |
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