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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of September 2584
Details
Submitted by[?]: Cildania Progressive Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2585
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the Supreme Chancellor of the Great Cildanian Legislative Body chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the 
Communist Party (marxist-deleonist)
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Communist Party (marxist-deleonist)
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Progressive Liberal Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Cildania Progressive Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Communist Party (marxist-deleonist)
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Communist Party (marxist-deleonist)
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Cildania Progressive Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Progressive Liberal Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Cildanian Nationalist Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Cildanian Nationalist Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Communist Party (marxist-deleonist)
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Progressive Liberal Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:53:50, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party (marxist-deleonist) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | After an extraordinary meeting in the Communist Party (marxist-luxemburgist), we have decided, that since this cabinet proposal isnīt proposed by us, it doesnīt contraedict our no-cooperation stance. Therefore we will vote yes. |
| Date | 17:05:00, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | We the Progressive Liberals are not quite sure about this coalition, even though we are indeed pleased with the offices offered to us. Looking through the data on the involved parties, seems that points in common between us are scarce (as shown by our differing vote histories), and that the main drive for this coalition would be excising the JLC from the government. While we believe in political alternation, as shown by our endorsement of the Communists in the last HoS election, we don't think the situation is bad enough, nor the JLC as belligerent as it was years ago, for this coalition. However, words may persuade us as long as the coalition doesn't expect us to vote against freedom or federalization - our defection would not be critical, but it would leave the government with a razon-thin majority of 88-87. |
| Date | 17:22:59, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Cildania Progressive Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | This coalition is about the spirit of a new start for Cildania with a new government. All the Parties involved have their own ideals and goals and a fresh coalition government is the way forward for Cildania. This does not mean a Party line on all votes with Parties still free to put forward their own Bills but it is better to be on the inside than on the outside looking in. |
| Date | 17:28:59, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | The speech from the CPP has convinced us. However, remember that we will not vote against freedom, and that we the Progressive Liberals have already shown that we are not attached to ministerial offices when it comes to defending our ideals. |
| Date | 00:44:47, June 01, 2008 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | Well obviously the League will not let this pass. If any of you wish to work with us in the cabinet please state your proposal and we will consider it. |
| Date | 03:16:02, June 01, 2008 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | After the elections, we had considered a two-party government with the League, but sadly we wouldn't reach the majority threshold. We also think that this alternance "experiment" agglutinating parties from the centre and the left will be a Good Thing (tm) for Cildania, as the League has been present in all its governments - good or bad - in the recent decades. However, worry not, as we will continue to vote according to our ideals, and thus we might actually end up in the same side of the division in several votes. |
| Date | 11:49:58, June 01, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party (marxist-deleonist) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | OOC: Whats that "(tm)" after "Good Thing", is that a trade mark sign? So "Good Thing" is some kind of trade mark or what? |
| Date | 12:54:29, June 01, 2008 CET | From | Cildanian Workers Coalition | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | IIRC under the constitution a government is always headed by the chancellor. If the chancellors party is not included in the government - it will fail. Perhaps a constitutional change is needed? |
| Date | 15:08:00, June 01, 2008 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | Or, and this is a crazy idea I know, we could try cooperating with the only elected official in our government. Why must every cabinet become so polarizing? |
| Date | 20:02:54, June 01, 2008 CET | From | Cildanian Workers Coalition | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | true enough i suspect... there needs to be some cabinet stability! |
| Date | 23:25:44, June 01, 2008 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | [quote=JLC]Or, and this is a crazy idea I know, we could try cooperating with the only elected official in our government. Why must every cabinet become so polarizing?[/quote] Point taken. We recoil from this coalition, seeing that we have turned against what we ourselves had defended previously on our consitutional amendments. |
| Date | 16:40:24, June 02, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party (marxist-deleonist) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | OOC: How can it be, that we lost althought we had the majority? |
| Date | 19:32:11, June 02, 2008 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | OOC: Because, in order to pass, the bill requires the approval of ALL parties that will be in the government, and the game considers the Chancellor (from the JLC) as "part of the government" in this aspect. Thus, the constitutional amendment we proposed and later withdrew, giving the Chancellor a veto over government proposals, was already in place. |
| Date | 20:08:19, June 02, 2008 CET | From | Cildanian Workers Coalition | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of September 2584 |
| Message | No - the constitution as it is now states that the chancellor leads the government Therefore we can not have a minority admin without another party being in charge |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 88 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 87 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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